Surenderer said:
Oh by the way sorry it took me so long to respond to you before....anyways....
Surenderer if you can’t respond in a timely manner it is fine by me, I am too wordy and often accused of being hard to understand anyway, and I have already been waiting since before 911 to get some answers.
Surenderer you said: “I dont know of Hamas purposely killing any Americans....I am not overly fammiliar with them although I have studied the Israel-Palestine situation....if they have indeed declared War on America then they deserve to be ‘greased‘ but I dont think that has happened”
“The Islamic Resistance Movement is Composed of Soldiers:
Article Thirty-Six:
While paving its way, the Islamic Resistance Movement, emphasizes time and again to all the sons of our people, to the Arab and Islamic nations, that it does not seek personal fame, material gain, or social prominence. It does not aim to compete against any one from among our people, or take his place. Nothing of the sort at all. It will not act against any of the sons of Moslems or those who are peaceful towards it from among non-Moslems, be they here or anywhere else. It will only serve as a support for all groupings and organizations operating against the Zionist enemy and its lackeys.”
The last sentence of the Hamas charter in my opinion allies them with Al Quacka and Saddam types, obviously “lackeys” is vaguely dangerous. The sentence prior to that says we must be peaceful toward them (their “terrorism” and goals), that could not be expected from the United States either then or now. In my opinion “they deserve to be ‘greased,‘” simply for their method of warfare that has killed Americans (as if it matters). What do you think?
Hamas also clearly chose sides against the United States:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iraq&ID=SP47903
This is important because the PLO existence prior to 1967 did not help to create a Palestinian state at those borders. The tragedy that has befallen the Palestinians is one of their own making. If Muslims really want peace, Hamas and their ilk must get stuffed into a trash can NOW! The ball is in the Islamic court right now. If the Islamic world can’t control their terrorist groups in one tiny little strip of land the so-called Palestinians may lose any right to the city King David was born in, and rightly so, and the tragedy will continue to the detriment of us all. I like Swiss cheese, but I do not think a country should look like it.
Surenderer you said to one of my wildly off on a tangent questions: “Who ever said that?....I was talking about Jews fleeing persecution to Muslim lands (lands with a majority Muslim population)”
A battle in the past is not important unless we are going to learn from history what possibly can be repeated! This is extremely important and we really need to know what applies TODAY. We need something to allay our fears. We need to see and understand what verses in the “Holy Book” make us safe today from a “tax in acknowledgment of superiority” that could put us into “a state of subjection.“ Who struck the first blows so long ago for the subjection and humiliation of [9.29] is truly academic, but considering all the times we have been called crusaders, before we have even begun to crusade, gives me reason to believe it was the Muslims that started it with all of their fighting words.
Prior to 911 we saw what the Taliban thought of the two women they claimed were teaching Christianity with their scary mouths and pamphlets, and I know what I think I read in the Koran about a Muslim converting to another religion. Things that I was seeing fit with what I was reading at the time.
On another message board I asked a Muslim some questions back in September 2001, just days before 911. I have forgotten many of the questions I had back then. That Muslim talked a lot about peace, and had come on the board to defend the Taliban. They said they would be back to answer my questions, but I never got those answers. That Muslim’s interpretation of the verse: “[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing,” was chilling and fit perfectly well with making it easy to kill unbelievers. So I do appreciate you taking the time to explain some things, like what is your interpretation of that no compulsion in religion verse?
I could have voted for a Kucinich or a Bush, it was my choice, there was no compulsion, for I am not a slave, and I think that anyone that would claim that Bush killed her son would probably be as inclined as an ancient from Mecca to bow down to idols like those of Saddam and his ilk. The containment was evil, but blame the usurping idolater that had his statues on every street corner. The Muslim world today is rife with idolatry and hypocrisy. If the believer “has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off,” why are so many so-called “believers” afraid of their own people voting for their own legislators and laws? Why are they so afraid of a Christian mouth?
Surenderer you responded to my question “…are we justified in killing an enemy wearing the Bin Laden t-shirt insignia?“ by asking the questions:
“Ya I saw that guy but because he wears an Osama tee-shirt he deserves to be killed? Who did that guy kill?”
I do not know that he killed anybody, but I do know that the surveillance photos of the 911 attackers did not show them wearing so much of an insignia before they killed anybody. Do you want us to be at such a disadvantage?
Hypothetically, using your interpretations, in a preferred kind of Muslim State, would we have to suffer the Palm Readers, Tarot Card Readers, or ever have to see John Edward talk to the dead?
