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September 11th conspiracy theories

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Sir_Alec said:
watch this...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change
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As usual I can't make it very far into these things before it gets too silly. Let's try a little common sense. The clip of the second tower being hit claims the first flash is of a missile hitting the tower fired from the plane just before the plane itself hit. Where's the missile? Where's the plume and smoke trail of said missile? Why bother shooting a missile when there a big plane on it's way a nanosecond behind it?

Next?
 
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teacher said:
As usual I can't make it very far into these things before it gets too silly. Let's try a little common sense. The clip of the second tower being hit claims the first flash is of a missile hitting the tower fired from the plane just before the plane itself hit. Where's the missile? Where's the plume and smoke trail of said missile? Why bother shooting a missile when there a big plane on it's way a nanosecond behind it?

Next?
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You didnt even finish the video did you? Even I would watch the whole thing first before commenting
 
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Sir_Alec said:
You didnt even finish the video did you? Even I would watch the whole thing first before commenting
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I just commented on the first inconsistency I came to. Does me not watching the whole video negate what I pointed out?
 
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teacher said:
I just commented on the first inconsistency I came to. Does me not watching the whole video negate what I pointed out?
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Its just that there is much more to learn from the rest of the video compared to the less realistic missile/airplane scene.
 
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Sir_Alec said:
Its just that there is much more to learn from the rest of the video compared to the less realistic missile/airplane scene.
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Okay, I watched the first half. I've allready dealt with all this bullshit on this thread.

Next?
 
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Yea. Somehow, it's always an amateur lecturing us about the behavior of steel under stress! This is conspiracy-guy egotism, familiar to anyone who reads this thread.

Engineers, architects, journalists, historians--these people are all chumps compared to the conspiracy folks.

Here's a Professor of Engineering at Berkeley with 30 years experience studying the behavior of steel under stress. Somehow, the fall of the towers doesn't bother him:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/attack/main503217.shtml

(But what does he know?)

Here's another problem: on top of everything else,your video clips could be fakes.

Your clips could be bogus. You need to find out where the clips come from. You need to have experts validate them. Then you can go back to ignoring what the engineers say.
 
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PerryLogan said:
Yea. Somehow, it's always an amateur lecturing us about the behavior of steel under stress! This is conspiracy-guy egotism, familiar to anyone who reads this thread.

Engineers, architects, journalists, historians--these people are all chumps compared to the conspiracy folks.

Here's a Professor of Engineering at Berkeley with 30 years experience studying the behavior of steel under stress. Somehow, the fall of the towers doesn't bother him:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/attack/main503217.shtml

(But what does he know?)

Here's another problem: on top of everything else,your video clips could be fakes.

Your clips could be bogus. You need to find out where the clips come from. You need to have experts validate them. Then you can go back to ignoring what the engineers say.
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Ho, ho! I thought you would have figured it out by now you degenerate bastard! They're all in on it! Nobodies safe, there's no such thing as Paranoia. tttttttttttwwwwwwwwwwwwwtttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:

And I've figured it out it is definately the shape shifting aliens. Watch your back I may have said to mu . . . . . .. . .
 
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Just posting here so that when I go shortly to the "conspiracy theories" forum and knock some friggin heads together those people there can more easily find a real thread about this serious matter because it wont anymore be buried on the second page. I've squared away The Basement. Time to get back to what I do best.
 
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teacher said:
Just posting here so that when I go shortly to the "conspiracy theories" forum and knock some friggin heads together those people there can more easily find a real thread about this serious matter because it wont anymore be buried on the second page. I've squared away The Basement. Time to get back to what I do best.
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Where are you going teach?? I'm bored and need some fun

The loonies at this forum below are out of control and believing that 911 was a conspiracy. Its the home site of Loose Change 2, the most prestigious of all 911 films.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx

Actually at this forum I have just used your outer wall to central core truss bolt failure theory as a strawman becuase they all believe silly things about 911.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/f2-general-discussion.html

I'd loved to see you in action again and these guys really need to be taught. Come and knock the stuffing out of the 911 truth movement!!

Here is a nice pic of red hot metal for ya which might have been thrown out by the fires and collapse or perhaps a thermite reaction explosion, who knows hey :mrgreen:

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Here is another intersting little aspect of 911. Along with the millions in put option on American airlines made by the conpirators and the $100 of millions in illegal transactions wired through WTC computers minutes before the first aircraft hit it seems that at least $950 million in gold was missing at the WTC.

Reuters and New York Daily News both reported the rescue workers finding two truckloads of gold in a delivery tunnel under 5 World Trade Center in a 10-wheel lorries which had been crushed by falling steel. The vault was under 4 World Trade Center, which was closer to the South Tower, and more heavily damaged. There were no bodies discovered with the lorry, suggesting that whoever was removing the gold was warned of the imminent collapse of the South Tower.

How interesting is that?? Somebody was stealing truckloads of gold out from WTC4 in the time between the first plane hitting and the collpase of the south tower. Do you recon they were in on the scam or was it just coincidence?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html

Sure are a lot of coincidences that day, Like Condoleeza Rice calling Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco and telling him not to fly to NYC on the morning of 9/11. Of cource she said they were no warnings about the attack, I wonder if she was lying. The Joint Chiefs of Staff were warned not fly to NYC on the morning of 9/11. I wonder why they didn't cancel the planned war games after changing their own plans, oh well, all just coincidence.
 
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While I do side with didga's arguments I think this thread should go where it belongs. Up teachers ***!
 
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PerryLogan said:
Yea. Somehow, it's always an amateur lecturing us about the behavior of steel under stress! This is conspiracy-guy egotism, familiar to anyone who reads this thread.

Engineers, architects, journalists, historians--these people are all chumps compared to the conspiracy folks.

Here's a Professor of Engineering at Berkeley with 30 years experience studying the behavior of steel under stress. Somehow, the fall of the towers doesn't bother him:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/attack/main503217.shtml

(But what does he know?)

Here's another problem: on top of everything else,your video clips could be fakes.

Your clips could be bogus. You need to find out where the clips come from. You need to have experts validate them. Then you can go back to ignoring what the engineers say.
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Most came from various news sites, but some of the clips/images were from people on the street. PHOTOSHOP! And I may be an amateur, but I'm not 100% sure about all of my google research on the stress factors of steel :rofl .
 
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Leaked documents from Cheney's "energy summit" show a map of Iraq with the major oilfields listed.Also it is interesting to see the "northwoods" document,a plan to fly jets into skyscrapers and then blame the Cubans for it.Osama bin Laden recieved the highest levels of training from the cia,they even built the"torabora" complex in Afghanistan for him.It does seem to be an inside job..But I was convinced after Oklahoma city,numerous demolition experts have said that there is no way a truck parked where they said it was could do that kind of damage,absolutely no way.
Most sheeple will not accept the facts until they are detained in a fema camp on an old army base somewhere.Just read the neocon bible written by Paul Wolfowitz,he clearly states that what is needed is another"pearl harbor" type event for them to advance their agenda.Well they got it did'nt they?Katrina made it clear that there immediate response to any disaster is to call in the troops!Most of Fema is concerned with"continuity of government" ,not disaster relief.This is the unconstitutional program that OLIVER NORTH was working on under Reagan,it is all there,don't believe me,read for yourself;start with the Wolfowitz doctrine!
 
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Didga said:
Where are you going teach?? I'm bored and need some fun
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What I usually do. Smack people around. You seem to enjoy the insults. Go to the basement, they let me of my leash down there, in fact, they encourage me, even put me in charge.

The loonies at this forum below are out of control and believing that 911 was a conspiracy. Its the home site of Loose Change 2, the most prestigious of all 911 films.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx

Actually at this forum I have just used your outer wall to central core truss bolt failure theory as a strawman becuase they all believe silly things about 911.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/f2-general-discussion.html

I'd loved to see you in action again and these guys really need to be taught. Come and knock the stuffing out of the 911 truth movement!!
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I got a good thing going here. Tell them to come here, then when they are done reading my posts they can just go away knowing they don't stand a chance.

Here is a nice pic of red hot metal for ya which might have been thrown out by the fires and collapse or perhaps a thermite reaction explosion, who knows hey :mrgreen:
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You do know the WTC was on fire? You do know fire is hot, right? I went over the temperatures in this thread. Don't see any reason to do so again.
 
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Sir_Alec said:
While I do side with didga's arguments I think this thread should go where it belongs. Up teachers ***!
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Yet you can't seem to point out where my science or deductive reasoning is flawed.

And bro, I've never reported a post nor will I ever. As far as insults goes that was weak. Be careful what you say upstairs. There's always a mod lurking somewhere.
 
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teacher said:
What I usually do. Smack people around. You seem to enjoy the insults. Go to the basement, they let me of my leash down there, in fact, they encourage me, even put me in charge.
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And it's like a shark guarding a swimming pond. Insanity.
 
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bizznych said:
,numerous demolition experts have said that there is no way a truck parked where they said it was could do that kind of damage,absolutely no way.
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And numerous other demoltion experts say there is. Way to give one side. The Oklahoma buildings partial collapse was caused by the way it was built and where the blast was. Namely a cross beam I think it was that took the brunt of the blast and took away support to other structure. Quit believing what you what to believe and gearing your evidence towards your line of thought and stick with pure science. Don't listen to others, figure it out for yourself.

Most sheeple will not accept the facts
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I post plenty of facts in this thread sport. I explain exactly how the towers collapsed. Give it a go.
 
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teacher said:
I post plenty of facts in this thread sport. I explain exactly how the towers collapsed. Give it a go.
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LOL teach, you won't touch WTC7, you won't touch the Pentagon attack and you never provide any hard facts. I mean really, all you have is your two part theory . Part one gravity caused collapse by sagging exterior to central core column trusses (heated by the jet fuel fires). Part two central core column to truss bolt failure causing pancaking. Thats meant to explain all the strange co-incidences around 911??

Here are some hard facts teacher will not touch

The USGS thermal hotspots showing huge temperatures, teacher dismissed them as pixels, thats how hard teachers facts are, why comment when the temperatures are melting aluminum.

The fact that steel melts at 1500c and is made in a blast furnace. It does not turn into a liquid in hydrocarbon fires of office furniture or jet fuel. The fact that molten steel was found at ground zero and semi-molten chucks weighing at least 10kg were removed from ground zero weeks afterwards.

The fact that concrete when dropped onto the floor below will not pulverize into particles 100 microns big and shoot out windows at high velocity while also travelling down several floors to cause squibs. A micron is a millionth of a meter, so 100 microns is a tenth of a millimeter.

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2002/110p703-714lioy/abstract.html

Anyways teach, you refuse to address my facts, so I'll play ball in your area. All along you have been saying that you cut steel for a living, that your experienced in this stuff, a welder of sorts, you use steel cutting torches, work in construction that my science facts come from books and are not valid. So show us your expertise and not your BS little personality dance and comment on these photos.

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The central core column above the firemans head is cut at an angle. It also shows molten iron that has run down the outside and inside than solidifed. What cut this beam and caused the iron slag of form?? Was it an oxy-acetylene or plasma torch of the clean up crew?? Ouch that must be hot holding a torch producing 1500c liquid iron. Or was it a thermite reaction explosive?? Which leaves molten iron as a by-product. Perhaps Controlled Demolition Inc in their trademarked DREXS systems (Directional Remote Explosive Severance) use thermite reaction explosives.

teacher, you are style over substance, you haven't got facts, show us your best now ok!
 
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Didga said:
Was it an oxy-acetylene
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Oxy-acetylene. There are ways I can tell.

I see you have now resorted to lying. I cover all the topics you say I don't in this thread. You say I say many things I've never said. You are a friggin liar. I would suggest you go and copy/paste the proof of what you say I say before I come back here when I've some time and I'm in a foul mood. Either that of take it back. Cause I'm gonna tear that post and you up and make you look like the liar you are. You really blew it with that one Didga. You really have no friggin idea what the Hell you are talking about, do you?
 
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Gee teach, did I touch a nerve?? Nice 1 line answer BTW, Yep , sure I know what the hell I am talking about, thats what I have been trying to tell you all along.

Oxy-acetylene torches

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torches that mix acetylene with oxygen from two differnet tanks to cut metal, like the one above, use compressed air that blows all the slag away.

Look again at the two photos teacher. The central core column is in situ, it has not been moved from its original place of deposition. Your saying that a rescue worker climbed up on that column and cut in half through an angle with an oxy-acetylene torch leaving metal slag with looks like molten drops. Why would you do that? Why not pick the whole piece up with a crane and move it a safer place to cut? Why would a rescue worker (looking to save people) cut a central core column in half with an oxy-acetylene torch anyway?

Or perhaps thermite reaction explosives did it, specifically Controlled Demolition Inc Directional Remote Explosive Severance system.

I'm not going to search through pages on this thread to find more examples of your one line answers, what are the ways you can tell?
 
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Didga said:
Gee teach, did I touch a nerve?? Nice 1 line answer BTW, Yep , sure I know what the hell I am talking about, thats what I have been trying to tell you all along.

Oxy-acetylene torches

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torches that mix acetylene with oxygen from two differnet tanks to cut metal, like the one above, use compressed air that blows all the slag away.
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Oh look, Didga looked up a definition. I use my Acetylene set at about 12PSI and my O2 at 50PSI. Did you know acetylene is unstable at 25PSI? That the tank it comes in has acetone in it so the acetylene can be stored at up to 250PSI? Did you know you shouldn't store or use your acetylene tanks lying down because the acetone can come out? Did you know you can't use grease on any fitting on a tank set up? Did you know a torch tip is a large hole in the middle for O2 surronded by smaller holes for acetylene? When lighting a torch you turn on the acetylene first, light it, then the O2. You're looking for a cone of light blue flame inside a larger dark blue one. Knowing when you have it adjusted right is an experiance thing. And a complete waste of time telling you. Did you know I could have looked all this up on the net but I didn't? The way to tell if someone knows what they're talking about is to see thier cut steel. For instance the picture you showed. The telltale ridges or grooves tell me it was cut by a torch. And from what angle and direction. But you couldn't possibly know that because you've been reading on the net desperatly trying to prove me wrong.

Look again at the two photos teacher. The central core column is in situ, it has not been moved from its original place of deposition. Your saying that a rescue worker climbed up on that column and cut in half through an angle with an oxy-acetylene torch leaving metal slag with looks like molten drops. Why would you do that? Why not pick the whole piece up with a crane and move it a safer place to cut? Why would a rescue worker (looking to save people) cut a central core column in half with an oxy-acetylene torch anyway?
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You've friggin lost it, haven't you? You don't know enough for me to explain this to you. I would suggest you go reserch on how columns are set, learn the basics of structure, and come back when you know enough about the simple things to keep up with me. That slag that looks like molten drops are exactly what you get when you cut with a torch. But you don't know that, do you? Hence you're stupid thermite bullshit.
Or perhaps thermite reaction explosives did it, specifically Controlled Demolition Inc Directional Remote Explosive Severance system.
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Torch.

I'm not going to search through pages on this thread to find more examples of your one line answers, what are the ways you can tell?
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You know Didga, I understand you desperately what this to be true, but at some point in your life you are going to have to grow the fuc*k up and admit you know knothing about this. You're questioning me on cutting steel. Something you know nothing about. It's like a pastry chef telling a auto mechanic about calipers. Every post you make just illustrates how little you know and how desperate you are to find a flaw in my explanation. Don't question me on steel boy. You don't know enough to understand what I can tell you. What is friggin hilarious is you show me a picture of steel obviously cut with a torch and then go on about thermite. You conspiracy guys will never learn that when you show me things that you think helps your case, the truth comes out and you look even stupider. Like that's possible.
 

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I don't know what to beleive on all this but I do have a question. How come no other plane hitting a building has made it collapse before? I remembered how a plane crashed into the empire state building and I read into it right now and it seems it tore out a side but no other portion of the building was affected even though the plane exploded inside the building.
 
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americanwoman said:
I don't know what to beleive on all this but I do have a question. How come no other plane hitting a building has made it collapse before? I remembered how a plane crashed into the empire state building and I read into it right now and it seems it tore out a side but no other portion of the building was affected even though the plane exploded inside the building.
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Because it was a WWII-era twin-engine B-25 medium bomber. Relative to the WTC planes, the B-25 had quite small fuel tanks, was traveling at a considerably lesser speed, had a much, much smaller frontal cross-section, weighed a fraction (IIRC, about the same as the combined weight of the landing gear on one 757), and consequently imparted hugely less kinetic energy.

That was one of the first things I thought of in the '93 bombing, "Oh, Jesus, another plane has hit a tall building". From the 92nd Floor, we often saw sight-seeing planes going up and down the Hudson River - at approximately eye-level. We occassionally joked about the possibility of being hit by an errant pilot having a heart attack or committing suicide or some such. But, having been in the military, I quickly recognized it for the explosion that it was.

In '01, there was no confusion at all.
 
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americanwoman said:
I don't know what to beleive on all this but I do have a question. How come no other plane hitting a building has made it collapse before? I remembered how a plane crashed into the empire state building and I read into it right now and it seems it tore out a side but no other portion of the building was affected even though the plane exploded inside the building.
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oldreliable hit on part of it. Another big part is the difference in structure. That has been covered in detail in this thread. If you really want to know, read the thread.

I get hit a lot with the same questions over and over again in this thread. I say read the thread. It's not a cop out. I just feel I shouldn't have to keep reposting what is allready here. If you really want to know...then, if you have new questions, by all means, I'll be glad to answer.
 
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