September 11th conspiracy theories

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

TruthStream said:

btw, keep watching day by day as more people add their tack for truth. People do want the truth about this, even if it is the official version. People want to look again. Whenever Im playing a video on my site that doesn't have 9/11 in the title, the viewership is low to moderate...but as soon as '9/11 analysis' or '9/11 evidence to the contrary' appears in the title, my viewers will jump from 20 or so to 80 within 10 minutes of the movie starting. People Want To Know, and over 2000 unique people a week watch a 9/11 video from my site for an average of 1.5 hours at a time (roughly same length as the average movie on my site).

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Oh I see now you're actually trying to make money off of the misery of others, you're disgusting.

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Trajan Octavian Titus said:

Oh I see now you're actually trying to make money off of the misery of others, you're disgusting.

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Explain to me again how I am 'making money' off this? I spend money to get the truth out man. I haven't 'made' a dime. Nor do I desire to. If I did 'make' something, it would be used to support charities that help the families and other truth sites.

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TruthStream said:

Explain to me again how I am 'making money' off this? I spend money to get the truth out man. I haven't 'made' a dime. Nor do I desire to. If I did 'make' something, it would be used to support charities that help the families and other truth sites.

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From your cite:

Each Music CD is $3 plus $3 S&H for a total of $6.

Each DVD is $6 plus $3 S&H for a total of $9.

Get all three (Both CD's and the DVD) for $10 plus $5 S&H for a total of $15!


Click here to order Music CD 1 for $3 plus $3 S&H for a total of $6

Click here to order Music CD 2 for $3 plus $3 S&H for a total of $6

Click here to order DVD 1 for $6 plus $3 S&H for a total of $9

Click here to order ALL THREE - Both CD's AND the DVD for $10 plus $5 S&H for a total of $15

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Pretty fuc/king steep for 10 cent burned C.D.'s and DVD's

Tell me are people that fuc/king stupid as to pay you to lie to them?

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Truthstream, if your theory were true, you could cite at least a few engineers who agree with you. But it looks like you can't get even one!

So the only people who can figure out the engineering of the fall of the towers are non-engineers! Forum members, welcome to the Bizarro World of the conspiracy theorists...

It took me about ten minutes on the web to find yet another whole slew of engineers who somehow miss the clues that you--a rank amateur--can see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/news/wtc/wtc.html
http://www.newhaven.edu/show.asp?durki=1185
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-12/su-sed120301.php
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html

An article from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics:
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/ser...00128000001000002000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

Here's a colloquium of engineers discussing the fall of the WTC towers. They're all too dumb to see the bombs:
http://mae.ce.uiuc.edu/Outreach/Conferences/wtc.htm

A collection of essays by researchers at MIT--the biggest bunch of saps you ever saw:
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

A bibliography of analyses of the collapse:
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/wtc/wtctragedy.html#Analysis of Collapse

Architecture Week on the engineering forensics of the collapse:
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1017/news_1-1.html

But what do they know?

Re: 911 WAS an inside job./The truth about 911

PerryLogan said:

Truthstream, if your theory were true, you could cite at least a few engineers who agree with you. But it looks like you can't get even one!

So the only people who can figure out the engineering of the fall of the towers are non-engineers! Forum members, welcome to the Bizarro World of the conspiracy theorists...

It took me about ten minutes on the web to find yet another whole slew of engineers who somehow miss the clues that you--a rank amateur--can see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/news/wtc/wtc.html
http://www.newhaven.edu/show.asp?durki=1185
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-12/su-sed120301.php
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html

An article from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics:
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/ser...00128000001000002000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

Here's a colloquium of engineers discussing the fall of the WTC towers. They're all too dumb to see the bombs:
http://mae.ce.uiuc.edu/Outreach/Conferences/wtc.htm

A collection of essays by researchers at MIT--the biggest bunch of saps you ever saw:
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

A bibliography of analyses of the collapse:
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/wtc/wtctragedy.html#Analysis of Collapse

Architecture Week on the engineering forensics of the collapse:
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1017/news_1-1.html

But what do they know?

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One example of your blindness (one is enough I'm tired) the last then,
This article is saying that these forensic and scientific organizations were spending their own money to get forensic evidence from the site before it was removed.
WHY?
Because it was as they say disappearing quickly without a trace yet it was EVIDENCE being removed from the scene of a crime, for this reason there had been no money for an investigation as there always usually is with any national disaster.
It goes on to say that their efforts had been for naught as it says that they were cooperating with the FEMA, which is now simply homeland security so forget any independant investigation despite independant funding.
The follow up link is then a dead one too. So your point is?


http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1017/news_1-1.html

Engineering Forensics of Collapse

by Michael J. Crosbie

Behind the slowly shrinking heaps of rubble in lower Manhattan and Arlington, Virginia, a phalanx of forensic engineers, supported by a variety of research grants, is working against the flow of debris as it is carted off to recycling sites and landfills, searching for clues about how three of the largest U.S. buildings were mortally wounded.

Twisted steel, melted insulation, tangled rebar, shards of aircraft fuselage — these artifacts and more might begin to suggest what happened on September 11, 2001 that brought down several buildings at New York's World Trade Center, and left a gruesome gash in the side of the Pentagon.

Research Groups Take Action

The forensic activities are being propelled by research grants from the National Science Foundation, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), and other private and public agencies that have hired engineers and architects to help figure out how the buildings failed.

Working with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other structural engineering associations, AISC has formed a task force to investigate the World Trade Center collapse. The ASCE has fielded its own teams of engineers to study what happened at the trade center and the Pentagon.





Related Stories:
Rebuilding in New York
Pentagon Battered but Firm
Beyond Disaster




Emergency workers untangle piles of wreckage at the World Trade Center disaster site. (September 25, 2001)
Photo: Michael Rieger/FEMA News Photo



Amid the truckloads of rubble being hauled away is forensic evidence about how and why the buildings collapsed. (September 25, 2001)
Photo: Michael Rieger/FEMA News Photo




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Re: 911 WAS an inside job./The truth about 911

PerryLogan said:

So the only people who can figure out the engineering of the fall of the towers are non-engineers! Forum members, welcome to the Bizarro World of the conspiracy theorists...

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Lookie here Mr. Logan. I be no friggin engineer. I figured it out just fine. Here's where you go wrong compared to me. Engineers talk about steel, loads, stress, whatever, I understand these things just fine. I read, I study, but I have taken these most swell book learnings and adapted them to practical adaptations. I'VE PUT THEM INTO REAL LIFE. I can tell by the color of steel when it's ready to bend. Myself? I prefer about 50 PSI's Oxygen and 12 PSI's Acetalynine for swell steel cuts. I can tell by the way the flame looks. By the way the flame looks, where the blue tip ends, how far the yellow tip goes, and so forth. I've taken engineers and architechs blueprints on how they think a job should go and thrown them out and come up on the spot and made it work. Ask any blue collar guy. They (eggheads) get close, we make it work. Untill the day comes when you step out from behind your CPU and step into the real world you will just never friggin know. And you will never have a friggin clue. My point? I know steel. You really need to go read my numerous posts in this thread and learn how much you don't know.

It took me about ten minutes on the web to find yet another whole slew of engineers who somehow miss the clues that you--a rank amateur--can see:

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It took me about ten minutes checking your links to realize how little these fools know about steel. While I agree with you, you are not welcome here. The book has been wrote Mr. Logan. I wrote it. Need I remind you that at this point we are just talking about steel? There is so much more. Go ahead, ask me about Fire Alarm Systems. There's more. Kinda creepy I know so much about this. I directed you to this thread. And you posted some sweet threads for the foil hatters I will never read. Nice. Like I said down stairs, I'm gonna leave Didga to you. Let's see how you roll.

I don't need your fuc*king help. Matter of fact, you dilute my thunder. You are now best used as the Devil's advocate and you should now try to find holes in my explanation. How embarrassing to you that I checked out your site and came to know that you fancy yourself as an expert on this topic.

Link poster.

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teacher said:

Lookie here Mr. Logan. I be no friggin engineer. I figured it out just fine. Here's where you go wrong compared to me. Engineers talk about steel, loads, stress, whatever, I understand these things just fine. I read, I study, but I have taken these most swell book learnings and adapted them to practical adaptations. I'VE PUT THEM INTO REAL LIFE. I can tell by the color of steel when it's ready to bend. Myself? I prefer about 50 PSI's Oxygen and 12 PSI's Acetalynine for swell steel cuts. I can tell by the way the flame looks. By the way the flame looks, where the blue tip ends, how far the yellow tip goes, and so forth. I've taken engineers and architechs blueprints on how they think a job should go and thrown them out and come up on the spot and made it work. Ask any blue collar guy. They (eggheads) get close, we make it work. Untill the day comes when you step out from behind your CPU and step into the real world you will just never friggin know. And you will never have a friggin clue. My point? I know steel. You really need to go read my numerous posts in this thread and learn how much you don't know.



It took me about ten minutes checking your links to realize how little these fools know about steel. While I agree with you, you are not welcome here. The book has been wrote Mr. Logan. I wrote it. Need I remind you that at this point we are just talking about steel? There is so much more. Go ahead, ask me about Fire Alarm Systems. There's more. Kinda creepy I know so much about this. I directed you to this thread. And you posted some sweet threads for the foil hatters I will never read. Nice. Like I said down stairs, I'm gonna leave Didga to you. Let's see how you roll.

I don't need your fuc*king help. Matter of fact, you dilute my thunder. You are now best used as the Devil's advocate and you should now try to find holes in my explanation. How embarrassing to you that I checked out your site and came to know that you fancy yourself as an expert on this topic.

Link poster.

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Took me two hours to get on this, .....well if they freed me from this prison, that' where I want to stay, and if you free me from this prison let my Bluses away.

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Re: 911 WAS an inside job./The truth about 911

TruthStream:

How sad for you that one guy (me) can put all of your site to bed. Granted, from the moment the towers fell I put my colossal brain into the how and why, and came up with it. The difference between me and you bro, is that I can speak to the science, the structure, the heat, the hardware, the fire systems, any friggin thing about these buildings I can go at you from my back pocket. You can only go post a link to retards that I have and will continue to put down like the hacks they are. You don't understand it like I do. The sad fact of the matter is I know more about this than all of your retarded link posters put together. Just go read and understand all of my posts in this thread and you too will know more than all of those morons you cite. I don't leave no friggin holes sport. I cover it top to bottom. Find some flaws in my explanation. I certainly do with the likes of you, over and over. You guys can't find flaws with my deal, yet you give bullshit tries again and again pointed at me, and I slam dunk them all. You never have a retort to those dunks, you all just go on to the next weak try. Then I dunk again. Then you try again. Here's the deal. I will never give up. I will continue to honor those civilians and Hero's that died that day in my own small way.

Put up or shut up. Try this. Open up a spot for me on your fool site. I'll go it alone at any and all you can throw up against me. Live chat, forum, live video, audio, Q and A, phone, what the fuc*k ever, I'll destroy them real time. Nary the pause or stutter. I got it in my back pocket. Watched a couple of shows on Discovery and History channel a while back. I heard for the first time on mass media the things I've been saying here for a friggin year. I got your pods, your controlled demolition, your advanced set up, I can answer anything Jones or Ryan can conceive of asking me, and I have things they can't begin to answer if I ask them. No delay, no set up questions, off the rip. If you have half a brain you will now go and really read all I have wrote in this thread. Folks like you come and go. I'm still holding back. There are some questions that if you were smart you should ask. Oh, I have the answers, I'm way ahead of you. One of your types biggest weaknesses is the susceptibility of load bearing steel to heat. You fools are not even close. You don't understand steel. It's all allready laid out in this thread. Go read. Me against everyone all at once. I'm game. Can you say the same?

I'm one guy. I'll stand up against all you can put up against me. There had to be someone out there like me. Turns out it's me.

This stupid bullshit will not stand while I have the watch.

For the civilians, the NYPD and the FDNY.

Nuff said.

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All the heros of 911 who survived are at home with severe health problems due to the natuur of polution caused by the fall, any money promised to aid them has been withdrawn without even the civility of an explanation. Above all they are under a gag order and they're angry cos they know the truth.
8 1/2 seconds teach.
But I for one end this thread here, my last post, you 2 and your new side kick are just too dense to waste my time.
5000 posts or more and still arguing nonsense, pure nonsense.
My time is better spent elsewhere.
Thread all yours teach, you can be LORD and MASTER over this thread you didn't start all you want. Happy now? Just a load of noise and hot air.
I'll call you if I ever need a building demolished on the cheap.
ptew!

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& we'll call you when we want a rank amateur to design a skyscraper, OK?

Talking to conspiracy buffs has an Alice-in-Wonderland quality. Two or three guys who probably couldn't cut a single engineering course are blithely telling us why every engineer in the world is for the birds, based solely on their superior brainpower.

That's conspiracy-guy egotism, which--as you can see--often borders on megalomania. They also get a bit testy when you challenge their ideas.

A reminder: the nature & behavior of the steel are moot, because the seismology has proven there were no bombs. But our resident non-seismologists are sure to tell us why the real seismologists are completely out to lunch & obviously working with The Bad Guys.

So round & round it goes.

Y'all want steel? Perry'll give ya steel...

Professor Hassan Astaneh is a professor of engineering at Berkeley with more than 30 years of experience studying the effects of steel under stress. He is studying the collapse of the towers on his own time (i.e., not beholden to The Evil Government or The Evil FEMA).

Astaneh has been working with David McCallen, a structural engineer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. They are using the lab's powerful supercomputers to model how different designs would hold up to a collision with a plane.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/terror/main503218.shtml

(Did he say 30 years studying the effects of steel under stress? Did he say supercomputers? Yea...but so what? We've got some incredibly gifted amateurs here.)

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teacher said:

Lookie here Mr. Logan. I be no friggin engineer. I figured it out just fine. Here's where you go wrong compared to me. Engineers talk about steel, loads, stress, whatever, I understand these things just fine. I read, I study, but I have taken these most swell book learnings and adapted them to practical adaptations. I'VE PUT THEM INTO REAL LIFE. I can tell by the color of steel when it's ready to bend. Myself? I prefer about 50 PSI's Oxygen and 12 PSI's Acetalynine for swell steel cuts. I can tell by the way the flame looks. By the way the flame looks, where the blue tip ends, how far the yellow tip goes, and so forth. I've taken engineers and architechs blueprints on how they think a job should go and thrown them out and come up on the spot and made it work. Ask any blue collar guy. They (eggheads) get close, we make it work. Untill the day comes when you step out from behind your CPU and step into the real world you will just never friggin know. And you will never have a friggin clue. My point? I know steel. You really need to go read my numerous posts in this thread and learn how much you don't know.



It took me about ten minutes checking your links to realize how little these fools know about steel. While I agree with you, you are not welcome here. The book has been wrote Mr. Logan. I wrote it. Need I remind you that at this point we are just talking about steel? There is so much more. Go ahead, ask me about Fire Alarm Systems. There's more. Kinda creepy I know so much about this. I directed you to this thread. And you posted some sweet threads for the foil hatters I will never read. Nice. Like I said down stairs, I'm gonna leave Didga to you. Let's see how you roll.

I don't need your fuc*king help. Matter of fact, you dilute my thunder. You are now best used as the Devil's advocate and you should now try to find holes in my explanation. How embarrassing to you that I checked out your site and came to know that you fancy yourself as an expert on this topic.

Link poster.

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I agree teacher, this guy is ***** mincemeat that couldn't argue logic without a referee. Frankly I have missed your complex analysis which represents one of the deepest cases of denial that I have ever seen. But you offer without doubt the sharpest and most amusing insults. Trajan Octavian Titus is your wannabee.

Perry if you have some substance then offer it.

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv

Tell me where this solid metal slag at salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approx. 1550 - 1900 oF, 845 - 1040 oC.) came from?? Did it fall down from 78 floors to be buried for 6 weeks? or burn underground at 1550 - 1900 F to be hauled out later? Do you produce chunks like that with your torches teacher?? How do you stand so close??

It would seem your reality is defined upon smartarse remarks and superficial examination of ideas foreign to your beliefs. Think a little bit harder guys.

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Didga said:

teacher said:

Tell me where this solid metal slag at salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approx. 1550 - 1900 oF, 845 - 1040 oC.) came from?? Did it fall down from 78 floors to be buried for 6 weeks? or burn underground at 1550 - 1900 F to be hauled out later? Do you produce chunks like that with your torches teacher?? How do you stand so close??

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I don't begin to claim I am a scientist or have all the answers, but I do know that the fire from the jets crashing into the buildings, fueled by the ignited jet fuel, was SO hot that it VAPORIZED metal, as in the metal beams, etc.. The heat was so excruciating, people were jumping from the top floors to avoid burning horribly to death in the fire. I am pretty sure that any fire hot enough to VAPORIZE metal will not simply dissipate immediately and therefore could cause this metal slag you are talking about. (Not all the metal vaporized.) The upper floors were like a kiln, and when the building collapsed, the metal would not simply cool into a solid chunk on the way down. As far as being buried, workers were finding items from the very top floors at the very bottom of the rubble....

I have read a good bit on this idiotic post, and all anyone has is speculation and conspiracy theory. It amazes me that the United states watched horrified as terrorists flew passenger-filled planes into the world trade center, into the Pentagon, and into a Pa field, presumablyheading towards the White House - we have heard Bin laden and his Al Qaeda brag about how they planned and executed this attack - and yet nut cases out there STILL claim this was an inside job, that we did this to ourselves, etc! :shock:

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Re: 911 WAS an inside job./The truth about 911

PerryLogan said:

& we'll call you when we want a rank amateur to design a skyscraper, OK?

Talking to conspiracy buffs has an Alice-in-Wonderland quality. Two or three guys who probably couldn't cut a single engineering course are blithely telling us why every engineer in the world is for the birds, based solely on their superior brainpower.

That's conspiracy-guy egotism, which--as you can see--often borders on megalomania. They also get a bit testy when you challenge their ideas.

A reminder: the nature & behavior of the steel are moot, because the seismology has proven there were no bombs. But our resident non-seismologists are sure to tell us why the real seismologists are completely out to lunch & obviously working with The Bad Guys.

So round & round it goes.

Y'all want steel? Perry'll give ya steel...

Professor Hassan Astaneh is a professor of engineering at Berkeley with more than 30 years of experience studying the effects of steel under stress. He is studying the collapse of the towers on his own time (i.e., not beholden to The Evil Government or The Evil FEMA).


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/07/terror/main503218.shtml

(Did he say 30 years studying the effects of steel under stress? Did he say supercomputers? Yea...but so what? We've got some incredibly gifted amateurs here.)

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Speaking of steal who says all of the steal was the same? I saw a documentary on the Khobar towers and they had to restart all production because some of the steal wasn't up to code and they only found that out by chance it sent them back like 3 months on one of the towers.

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Forum members, please note:
1) the snarky tone - when their ideas are threatened, these guys get pretty testy. Intellectual debate ends & the street talk begins. Some of them are not above personal attacks. This is quintessential right-wing behavior.

2) the incredible egotism - you'll notice how all the links to all the real engineers have sort of...bounced off these guys' thick skulls? In my opinion, if you're not willing to listen to engineers on the subject of how skyscrapers fell...you have proven yourself a complete nut.

Conspiracy guys have absolutely no capability with logic. I would once again call your attention to the seismology, proving conclusively there were no bombs in the towers. Teacher is right when he points out that these guys can't seem to give it up.

Another thing: even if you proved bombs, it would not prove 9/11 was an inside job. The terrorists (that's al Qaeda--you know, the REAL terrorists?) might have planted them there. Isn't that what terrorists do?

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Another thing: even if you proved bombs, it would not prove 9/11 was an inside job. The terrorists (that's al Qaeda--you know, the REAL terrorists?) might have planted them there. Isn't that what terrorists do?

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Good point they already had bombed the World Trade Center back in '92 I believe, they put a van packed with explosives in the basement.

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PerryLogan said:

Forum members, please note:
1) the snarky tone - when their ideas are threatened, these guys get pretty testy. Intellectual debate ends & the street talk begins. Some of them are not above personal attacks. This is quintessential right-wing behavior.

2) the incredible egotism - you'll notice how all the links to all the real engineers have sort of...bounced off these guys' thick skulls? In my opinion, if you're not willing to listen to engineers on the subject of how skyscrapers fell...you have proven yourself a complete nut.

Conspiracy guys have absolutely no capability with logic. I would once again call your attention to the seismology, proving conclusively there were no bombs in the towers. Teacher is right when he points out that these guys can't seem to give it up.

Another thing: even if you proved bombs, it would not prove 9/11 was an inside job. The terrorists (that's al Qaeda--you know, the REAL terrorists?) might have planted them there. Isn't that what terrorists do?

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LOL Perry, its been a long and decent discussion in this thread and I'm not surprised some personal attacks have occurred. Post up your seismology pics and explain how they show bombs could not have been used, make sure to include WTC7. Why should we listen to your engineers BTW when you dont listen to ours??

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Didga said:

LOL Perry, its been a long and decent discussion in this thread and I'm not surprised some personal attacks have occurred. Post up your seismology pics and explain how they show bombs could not have been used, make sure to include WTC7. Why should we listen to your engineers BTW when you dont listen to ours??

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Because you don't have any, what you have is radical nuts claiming to be an expert on something they know nothing about, every reputable engineer (including the architect of the wtc) has said that the planes brought the towers down because the main core got to hot through fires created by the jet fuel and the building buckled under its own weight.

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Didga said:

I agree teacher, this guy is ***** mincemeat that couldn't argue logic without a referee. Frankly I have missed your complex analysis which represents one of the deepest cases of denial that I have ever seen.

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It's not just a river in Egypt anymore.

But you offer without doubt the sharpest and most amusing insults.

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It's a dirty job...

Trajan Octavian Titus is your wannabee.

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But he mixes a mean Bloddy Mary.

Tell me where this solid metal slag at salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approx. 1550 - 1900 oF, 845 - 1040 oC.) came from?? Did it fall down from 78 floors to be buried for 6 weeks? or burn underground at 1550 - 1900 F to be hauled out later? Do you produce chunks like that with your torches teacher?? How do you stand so close??

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Big hot fire. Banked well in the rubble. And I still don't get your point. TOT adressed it. So the fire would not keep things hot for a while but thermite will? Was there enexploded thermite that kept things smoldering? How do you know that the chunk in your picture was not just cut by a torch? Big giant beam cut with a torch and all the molten slag it produces. Go get yourself a Acetyline torch and get into some serious steel cutting bro. Masks, leather aprons and gloves. Cutting tips at the end of 4 foot torches. Does that work? Set em up Didga. I'll knock em down.

It would seem your reality is defined upon smartarse remarks and superficial examination of ideas foreign to your beliefs.

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Foreign to my beliefs? Who's the steel worker between us? Who's the fire alarm technician? At least my beliefs are based on first hand knowledge and experience. not some web site. Go figure.

I answer your questions Didga. Again. Tell me the one about a huge building on fire full of explosives that didn't go off until someone pushed the button.

That's just friggin classic.

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fourddream said:

All the heros of 911 who survived are at home with severe health problems due to the natuur of polution caused by the fall, any money promised to aid them has been withdrawn without even the civility of an explanation. Above all they are under a gag order and they're angry cos they know the truth.
8 1/2 seconds teach.
But I for one end this thread here, my last post, you 2 and your new side kick are just too dense to waste my time.
5000 posts or more and still arguing nonsense, pure nonsense.
My time is better spent elsewhere.
Thread all yours teach, you can be LORD and MASTER over this thread you didn't start all you want. Happy now? Just a load of noise and hot air.
I'll call you if I ever need a building demolished on the cheap.
ptew!

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Take your ball and go home. You are just another in the long line in this thread I have sent packing. And where's your buddy TruthStream?

Re: 911 WAS an inside job./The truth about 911

easyt65 said:

Didga said:

I don't begin to claim I am a scientist or have all the answers, but I do know that the fire from the jets crashing into the buildings, fueled by the ignited jet fuel, was SO hot that it VAPORIZED metal, as in the metal beams, etc.. The heat was so excruciating, people were jumping from the top floors to avoid burning horribly to death in the fire. I am pretty sure that any fire hot enough to VAPORIZE metal will not simply dissipate immediately and therefore could cause this metal slag you are talking about. (Not all the metal vaporized.) The upper floors were like a kiln, and when the building collapsed, the metal would not simply cool into a solid chunk on the way down. As far as being buried, workers were finding items from the very top floors at the very bottom of the rubble....

I have read a good bit on this idiotic post, and all anyone has is speculation and conspiracy theory. It amazes me that the United states watched horrified as terrorists flew passenger-filled planes into the world trade center, into the Pentagon, and into a Pa field, presumablyheading towards the White House - we have heard Bin laden and his Al Qaeda brag about how they planned and executed this attack - and yet nut cases out there STILL claim this was an inside job, that we did this to ourselves, etc! :shock:

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You are obviously not a scientist because you would know that burning jet fuel isn't even half the temperature required to burn steel. Do some fact checking before you post. Oh wait, you can't do that because you know everything.

Please spare me of any stupid rage-filled replies because it will only prove your ignorance.

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Sir_Alec said:

easyt65 said:

You are obviously not a scientist because you would know that burning jet fuel isn't even half the temperature required to burn steel. Do some fact checking before you post. Oh wait, you can't do that because you know everything.

Please spare me of any stupid rage-filled replies because it will only prove your ignorance.

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lmfao, you are obviously a conspiracy theorist who likes to connect the imaginary dots. It was the jet fuel that ignited the fires and it was the secondary fires ignited by the jet fuel that were able to get hot enough to lower the structural integrity of the steal to the point of failure.

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Trajan Octavian Titus said:

Sir_Alec said:

lmfao, you are obviously a conspiracy theorist who likes to connect the imaginary dots. It was the jet fuel that ignited the fires and it was the secondary fires ignited by the jet fuel that were able to get hot enough to lower the structural integrity of the steal to the point of failure.

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but that does not make the metal stay so hot it is still bright red days later

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watch this...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change

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Sir_Alec said:

Trajan Octavian Titus said:

but that does not make the metal stay so hot it is still bright red days later

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Yes it does the think about it, the diesel fuel tanks in the basement could have exploded and then the 1000's of tons of debris collapses on top of it creating a giant bonfire effect. Have you ever had a bonfire before? The coals stay bright for days after words now multiply that by a million, think of it as a bonfire with an infinite fuel supply to burn, and besides why would thermite explosives make the steal stay hot for longer then conventiol fires anyways? You're inventing causation here. The fuel was just the ignition point which created secondary fires that continued to smolder and heat up weeks after the collapse.

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PerryLogan said:

Truthstream, if your theory were true, you could cite at least a few engineers who agree with you. But it looks like you can't get even one!

So the only people who can figure out the engineering of the fall of the towers are non-engineers! Forum members, welcome to the Bizarro World of the conspiracy theorists...

It took me about ten minutes on the web to find yet another whole slew of engineers who somehow miss the clues that you--a rank amateur--can see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/news/wtc/wtc.html
http://www.newhaven.edu/show.asp?durki=1185
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-12/su-sed120301.php
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html

An article from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics:
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/ser...00128000001000002000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

Here's a colloquium of engineers discussing the fall of the WTC towers. They're all too dumb to see the bombs:
http://mae.ce.uiuc.edu/Outreach/Conferences/wtc.htm

A collection of essays by researchers at MIT--the biggest bunch of saps you ever saw:
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

A bibliography of analyses of the collapse:
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/wtc/wtctragedy.html#Analysis of Collapse

Architecture Week on the engineering forensics of the collapse:
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1017/news_1-1.html

But what do they know?

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Thanks for posting those links.