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Do you think polls are and effective way to tell what Americans believe?

Do you think that polls are and effective way to tell what Americans believe?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 52.6%

  • No

    Votes: 9 47.4%
  • Total voters
    19
Kelzie said:
They weren't wrong. They were off by 2%. That's hardly wrong.

You're a social conservative. You're a republican.
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how do you figure that? cuz of the points that I mentioned on this thread about why polls are wrong, those were examples not necessarilly my point of view.
 
Bottom line is at best polls are a semi educated guess on how something will turn out.....Don't bet your house on them......
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
how do you figure that? cuz of the points that I mentioned on this thread about why polls are wrong, those were examples not necessarilly my point of view.
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So then you support abortion? And gay marriage? Keep in mind that I can search through every single one of your posts for those key words.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bottom line is at best polls are a semi educated guess on how something will turn out.....Don't bet your house on them......
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If I could bet with 97% accuracy, I'd bet almost everything I had.
 
Kelzie said:
If I could bet with 97% accuracy, I'd bet almost everything I had.
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You would have lost big time then on Bush's approval rating a couple of days before the lection..........
 
Navy Pride said:
You would have lost big time then on Bush's approval rating a couple of days before the lection..........
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No I wouldn't have. They were off by a couple of percents.
 
Kelzie said:
So then you support abortion? And gay marriage? Keep in mind that I can search through every single one of your posts for those key words.
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well go ahead because I don't like to touch hot button issues I'm the consummate statesmen, but if you really must know I support civil unions but not gay marriage because I believe that the primary purpose of marriage is for raising children and I feel that the best environment for a child is a one man one woman household, that being said I support gay adoption if it is better than the alternative IE alcoholic mother and criminal father, I don't support abortion unless the mothers health is in danger, this is because the constitution guarantees that the government will not take away your life, liberty, or property without due process and I believe life starts at conception, however, I do feel that it should be left up to the individual states as also stated in the constitution that any powers not expressly granted to the federal government shall be left up to the individual state.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
well go ahead because I don't like to touch hot button issues I'm the consummate statesmen, but if you really must know I support civil unions but not gay marriage because I believe that the primary purpose of marriage is for raising children and I feel that the best environment for a child is a one man one woman household, that being said I support gay adoption if it is better than the alternative IE alcoholic mother and criminal father, I don't support abortion unless the mothers health is in danger, this is because the constitution guarantees that the government will not take away your life, liberty, or property without due process and I believe life starts at conception, however, I do feel that it should be left up to the individual state as also stated in the constitution that any powers not expressly granted to the federal government shall be left up to the individual state.
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Libertarians cannot be for a government administed ban on abortion. It would be like a socialist against national health care. It completely goes against what the party stands for.
 
Kelzie said:
Libertarians cannot be for a government administed ban on abortion. It would be like a socialist against national health care. It completely goes against what the party stands for.
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like I said I feel that it should be left up to the individual states and since when is the libertarian party against the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we're for non government interference for things that only hurt yourself not what hurts others ie abortion.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
like I said I feel that it should be left up to the individual states and since when is the libertarian party against the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we're for non government interference for things that only hurt yourself not what hurts others ie abortion.
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That's not an option. It's still government telling you what to do. Something you are supposed to be against.
 
Kelzie said:
That's not an option. It's still government telling you what to do. Something you are supposed to be against.
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nope we're against government interference for things that only hurt yourself not that hurt others, we still believe that crimes such as murder, rape, robbery, etc. need to be regulated by the government. Libertarianism is not anarchy.
 
And yet when the polls are put to the test, like on election day, we find that they are remarkably accurate. How do you account for this, if it truely only represents 1,000 people's opinions?
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Nothing more than luck.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
nope we're against government interference for things that only hurt yourself not that hurt others, we still believe that crimes such as murder, rape, robbery, etc. need to be regulated by the government. Libertarianism is not anarchy.
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Find me one other prolife libertarian. Face it. You're a social conservative. DO you support the legalization of all drugs?
 
jamesrage said:
Nothing more than luck.
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That's right. Blind luck. Way to dodge the massive amounts of evidence that's everywhere by sticking your fingers in your ears.
 
Kelzie said:
No I wouldn't have. They were off by a couple of percents.
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Nope, a week before the elections President Bush's approval ratings were in the mid forties and the left wing media was full of glee becasue no president had ever been re elected with and approval rating of below 50%.....
 
Kelzie said:
Find me one other prolife libertarian. Face it. You're a social conservative. DO you support the legalization of all drugs?
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not all drugs some drugs ie heroin crack etc need to be illegal, however, I feel that certain drugs could and should be legalized, also I make up my own mind on the issues I don't tow the party line but the libertarian party is the closest to what I believe so that's why I registered as libertarian, libertarians are the last true conservatives left. Here's their sight and their platform:

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml
 
Navy Pride said:
Nope, a week before the elections President Bush's approval ratings were in the mid forties and the left wing media was full of glee becasue no president had ever been re elected with and approval rating of below 50%.....
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For the last time. That is not a poll. His approval ratings were. And they were correct. It was the fact that no president has ever won with them that low that was incorrect.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
not all drugs some drugs ie heroin crack etc need to be illegal, however, I feel that certain drugs could and should be legalized, also I make up my own mind on the issues I don't tow the party line but the libertarian party is the closest to what I believe so that's why I registered as libertarian, libertarians are the last true conservatives left. Here's their sight and their platform:

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml
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I know their platform. Did you just call libertarians conservative? They're LIBERtarians. Fool. ;) :mrgreen:
 
Kelzie said:
Find me one other prolife libertarian. Face it. You're a social conservative. DO you support the legalization of all drugs?
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here this is from the sight:

The Principle: Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. We must accept the right of others to choose for themselves if we are to have the same right. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. We believe people must accept personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions

ie if you don't use a rubber or birth control you should take the consequences of your actions by having the baby. actions=consequences
 
That's right. Blind luck. Way to dodge the massive amounts of evidence that's everywhere by sticking your fingers in your ears.
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If you want to have faith in polls then you should beleave this poll to be accurate.
Poll
 
Kelzie said:
I know their platform. Did you just call libertarians conservative? They're LIBERtarians. Fool. ;) :mrgreen:
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lol so you think Bill Mayer is a libertarian huh? The farthest to the right you can get is the libertarian party it's a reactionary movement derrr
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
here this is from the sight:

The Principle: Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. We must accept the right of others to choose for themselves if we are to have the same right. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. We believe people must accept personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions

ie if you don't use a rubber or birth control you should take the consequences of your actions by having the baby. actions=consequences
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Here's a little bit more from the site:

The Issue: Recognizing that abortion is a very sensitive issue and that people, including libertarians, can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question. We condemn state-funded and state-mandated abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another's abortion.

The Principle: We hold that individual rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of sex. It is the right and obligation of the pregnant woman, not the state, to decide the desirability or appropriateness of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, voluntary surrogacy arrangements and/or home births.

Solutions: We oppose all laws likely to impose restrictions on free choice and private property or to widen tyranny through reverse discrimination.

Transitional Action: We call for repeal of all laws discriminating against women, such as protective labor laws and marriage or divorce laws which deny the full rights of men and women.



In other words. Not the government's business. It is up to the women.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
lol so you think Bill Mayer is a libertarian huh? The farthest to the right you can get is the libertarian party it's a reactionary movement derrr
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That's a brilliant bit of trickery they've got going. Calling themselves Libertarians cause they are really very conservative. Couldn't be cause they are pure liberals? Nah. That would make too much sense.
 
Kelzie said:
Here's a little bit more from the site:

The Issue: Recognizing that abortion is a very sensitive issue and that people, including libertarians, can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question. We condemn state-funded and state-mandated abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another's abortion.

The Principle: We hold that individual rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of sex. It is the right and obligation of the pregnant woman, not the state, to decide the desirability or appropriateness of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, voluntary surrogacy arrangements and/or home births.

Solutions: We oppose all laws likely to impose restrictions on free choice and private property or to widen tyranny through reverse discrimination.

Transitional Action: We call for repeal of all laws discriminating against women, such as protective labor laws and marriage or divorce laws which deny the full rights of men and women.



In other words. Not the government's business. It is up to the women.
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and like I said I don't tow the party line, I feel that abortion is moraly wrong and a violation of the constitutions right to not have the government take away your life, liberty, or property without due process.

and even if I did support abortion how come it's only the womans right why doesn't the man get a say? I mean the man did have some input ;) on the subject if you catch my drift.
 
Kelzie said:
That's a brilliant bit of trickery they've got going. Calling themselves Libertarians cause they are really very conservative. Couldn't be cause they are pure liberals? Nah. That would make too much sense.
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ha modern liberals are freaking statists why not call them totalitarian? Nah that would make too much sense.
 
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