mikhail

It seems to me that there is an over average amount of gay people involved and interested in poltics from the openly gay on the left to the closeted guys on the right.Is this so or is this just conformation bias?

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Gipper

I'd say the first half is definitely right. Out-of-closet gays are pretty much uniformly left-leaning, but I'm not convinced that in-closet gays lean right. It's clear that "flaming" gays are left because it's their own version of counter-culture, attempting to be anti-establishment because your standard "wholesome" American is right-leaning.

If there were closet rights, I'd suspect that it's because they're appalled that their own "kind" go to the lengths they do. I worked with a gay man that you never would've guessed from looking that he was gay. He was pretty right-leaning too. We knew he was gay, and if you asked him he'd tell you straight up. However, he dressed professionally at work and has pictures of himself dressing normally. He didn't talk with that "fag lithp" and didn't draw unnecessary attention to himself. He resented gay culture because it was everything he wasn't. And you couldn't ask for a nicer, more intelligent and well-spoken man.

I'd agree with your statement as a whole though. The "left gays" are the ones that warrant the negativity they do and drag down the bulk of them.

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DarkWizard12

that is so AWESOME. I never thought gays like that existed. Not even the "fag lithp"? Wow.

As for me, being openly gay isn't much of concern. You have people who are openly hetero as well (i.e. prostitutes, womanizers), the one thing that annoys me though is the "fag lithp", I swear, whoever invented that is going to get a bullet through the head. Just because your gay doesn't mean you can't talk normaly.

Adrian

Does the gay lisp thing actually exist? Cause I've known a ton of gay people in the past few years and I haven't met one with the gay lisp, and I'm really beginning to wonder if the whole thing is a myth.

Alex

I do not know any gay men in the closet and I would have to say that gays are equally split between left and right. Most people do not believe that I am gay and I have always been honest with everyone about it. I am as far right as a person can be without being an Anarchist. I think age and location is a better indicator of political leaning. Most gay and straight people my age that I know are to the right and most younger people to the left.

The silenced majority

That's why I always liked posters like you, NCFY and jallman, Alex. I frequently castigate identity-politics & group-think. Often, I take shots at the self-declared spokes-mouths for the gay group-identity, you guys rarely take exception.

I commend you guys for understanding that at times "the group" may represent your views, but they don't always represent your views & nobody thinks in a monolithic way just because of a particular characteristic they share with a larger group.

new coup for you

but...uh...I'm super liberal...you know...like the stereotype...

My problem with the gay political establishment is that I think it's agist.

I think all the "we're here, we're queer, get over it", "what's wrong with ****ing in the streets" etc. guys grew up into the current "settle down my Vietnamese baby is sleeping", "your ****ing in the streets is lowering my property values" guys.

It infuriates me, they're basically saying "well, now that we're old and can't compete in the Babylonian indulgence game anymore...you all should stop too."

It's bull****.

I hate gay people that join the heterosexual establishment. Live in the suburbs with their fake babies and their fakes lives and try to pretend their straight people, it's pathetic.

Gay people aren't "normal" we're gay. We're not "just like everyone else"- we're gay.

I don't want to ape the heterosexual lifestyle. I don't want an adopted foreign baby and suburban ranch style and a sensible car and all that miserable soul-sucking banality.

Sometimes I think it was better before Stonewall when we could do whatever we wanted because no one was watching.

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And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

Gipper

See, that's what I'm talking about. I don't base my entire life, belief system, values, or substance on one defining factor.

Too many gay people are shallow and unnecessarily opinionated.

winston53660

If your rights were being denied and or you were being discriminated against wouldn't that be a very big concern to you?

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new coup for you

Yes you do, it's just so mainstream you don't even realize it.

The suburban nuclear family lifestyle is the straight lifestyle.