June is Gay Pride Month! - Page 17

Ethereal · 06-30-08, 08:27 PM

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No, because whatever native intelligence I possess, I have applied toward the end of trying to make things more just and equitable for everyone.
I have also not done anything by way of cultivating my intellect or parlaying it into power, status, or monetary gain- nothing that would give me any advantage over others- other than reading books, listening to people, and keeping my eyes peeled.

Sad, yet hilarious.

Bodhisattva · 07-01-08, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin

You said they were almost or nearly interchangable or something to that effect. That is still incorrect in my opinion. You continue to tie yourself in knots with very lengty definitions, but the reality is that in the English language, the words "pride" and "power" evoke different things.

There is a huge difference between having simply studied a subject and actually being able to critically analyse the issues and formulate an opinion which stands up.

The differences are thus:
For one I'm not screaming "Some of my best friends are black and they think slavery was pretty OK actually. Free food and board - why should they complain - it was way worse in Afghanistan" I add that my partner is African because as a white woman with a black man, I have experienced prejudice first hand (nowhere more so than in your dear "land of the free"). This is somewhat different to the old "some of my best friends are.......that proves I'm open and actually, they're happy with their lot" arguments. You present a series of gay neighbourhoods you've lived in or gay pride events you've attended (yet you don't agree with gay pride events, and you call ME a hypocrite?) and drag queens who've sat on your lap - yes, I'm sure you really got inside that drag queen's head and learned about the everyday difficulties he faces

) I believe my experience is relevant to any debate on prejudice because I've seen ugly racism first hand. To my mind that has more substance than the old "some of my best friends are......." However, as I said above, if you choose not to believe me, nobody really gives a damn, not least me.

Sadly, you don't take your own advice.

Bod, this rant is borderline hysteria. You take DP far too seriously.

You make assuptions.
This isn't about "knowing more" or point scoring. It's about differing opinions. As an African, my partner probably has a very different perspective on black identity than blacks from your own country, and as a United Statesian, yes you probably know more about US black history, the black power movement, Malcolm X etc. than he does. Your point is? Do you need to have felt you have "won" again?

See above

Yet you don't agree with gay pride events?

I did actually ask how you met your gay friends, how many you have and what common interests hold your friendships together. You failed to give a straight answer, so what is one to assume?

Again you throw out insults, and again you demonstrate that you come on here not to debate but to come out on top, to win. And you claim you are not shallow?

How insightful. I've waited 44 years to have my mind opened by bod

I don't think you actually mean that.
Hostilities aside for one moment, since you referred to your two "cuties" in your pic. You do have two very beautiful children bod. Congratulations.

I shall leave it there bod. Our arguments are becoming circular so I shan't continue, but go on, you have the last word

All in all, I still feel that you came in here being flippant and that you tried to make me out to be a bigot or something... that is fine, whatever. All I have been trying to do is to talk honestly and openly, and you seem to make cracks about my honesty and such still, or you justify why my comments are shallow and yours are fine. This conversation is one sided, and it seems that you feel that you have to prove to yourself that I am as idiotic as you think that I am. This has not been an honest or open conversation at all, though I think that you want it to be, but you just aren't. That is fine. I am not taking any shots here, just telling you how I feel about the way in which you talk to me. It is not fun, and it is not balanced. So I start in on you, and that gets us nowhere.

Anyway... yes, they are cuties. Thanks.

Just talk to me like we would at a cafe or something, and I will do the same.
Do you live in Africa?

Take care

Marilyn Monroe · 07-01-08, 07:34 AM

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I understand that my intellect is a byproduct of being privileged: white and well-born. Yet without education, it avails me little (I won't say "nothing"; that would be disingenuous). And I genuinely do what I can to advance equality. Born stupid, I'd be able to do much less. As it is, even ignorant and uneducated, I have a gift with words that sometimes compels people to listen to me as they would not to someone without that gift.
I would not toss it away when it can be used to help the situation, even though it is the result of unearned privilege.

Are you saying that only the priviledged have intellect? You are saying your intellect is a by-product of being white and well-born. I've known a lot of people who weren't born white that were still well-born. Anybody can have a gift, and many don't. That's life. To me it's not unearned priviledge if you use it.

Panache · 07-01-08, 01:09 PM

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No, because whatever native intelligence I possess, I have applied toward the end of trying to make things more just and equitable for everyone.
I have also not done anything by way of cultivating my intellect or parlaying it into power, status, or monetary gain- nothing that would give me any advantage over others- other than reading books, listening to people, and keeping my eyes peeled. I understand that my intellect is a byproduct of being privileged: white and well-born. Yet without education, it avails me little (I won't say "nothing"; that would be disingenuous). And I genuinely do what I can to advance equality. Born stupid, I'd be able to do much less. As it is, even ignorant and uneducated, I have a gift with words that sometimes compels people to listen to me as they would not to someone without that gift.
I would not toss it away when it can be used to help the situation, even though it is the result of unearned privilege.

So in other words, you give lip service to equality, but you don't really want everyone to have the exact same level of intellect. Hypocrite.

1069 · 07-01-08, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Panache

So in other words, you give lip service to equality, but you don't really want everyone to have the exact same level of intellect. Hypocrite.

Au contraire. I do really want that.
My IQ is merely average for a female of my race and class.
That is, nevertheless, a good ten points or more higher than the median IQ for people of certain other races and socioeconomic classes.
This is due to a combination of factors, including but not limited to the prenatal care they receive in utero, their diet and specifically their dietary deficiencies during their years of peak cognitive development, environmental factors such as lead and other pollutants and toxins, and the influences- the *advantages*- they are exposed to or not exposed to in early childhood.

I do want to change all of that, by eliminating poverty of body, mind, and spirit from this planet (or at least from this wealthiest of all countries).
It is an abomination here, of all places.

Marilyn Monroe · 07-01-08, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069

Au contraire. I do really want that.
My IQ is merely average for a female of my race and class.
That is, nevertheless, a good ten points or more higher than the median IQ for people of certain other races and socioeconomic classes.
This is due to a combination of factors, including but not limited to the prenatal care they receive in utero, their diet and specifically their dietary deficiencies during their years of peak cognitive development, environmental factors such as lead and other pollutants and toxins, and the influences- the *advantages*- they are exposed to or not exposed to in early childhood.

I do want to change all of that, by eliminating poverty of body, mind, and spirit from this planet (or at least from this wealthiest of all countries).
It is an abomination here, of all places.

I think what would happen if we try to elevate everyone up to the same level is everybody would be on the bottom. Things don't work evenly. It's not human nature. There will always be your haves and your have nots, because for whatever reason some people are just more ambitious, and make better use of what they have, even those that aren't priviledged.