1069

Oh, indeed?
Yes, I'm sure the underprivileged adore being booted from the military without cause, barred from visiting their dying partners in the ICU, and prevented from having legal rights to their own children, while watching the privileged majority- even those who are inferior soldiers, partners, parents, and citizens- granted all these rights without question, accepting them as their due, even taking them for granted.
How could one possibly be dissatisfied with such a state of affairs, when one is getting so much "attention"?
Why, being oppressed and disenfranchised is even more fun than parading down Main Street in a rhinestone tiara, a hot pink feather boa, a pair of fishnet stockings, and a thong.

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independent_thinker2002

Do you have experience with this?

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Marilyn Monroe

The guy got the boot from the military cause he talked on TV. That's just the way the rules work, but if that was all he did, he shouldn't have gotten the boot in MHO.

I don't know what you want to happen. Should we not have any priviledged people? Don't know how that would happen. I know gays who are more priviledged than I am. There are gays that have high paying jobs, and positions of power. Right now they are wanting to be able to marry. Once that happens on a Federal level, and it'll have to be a Federal Law, I don't think there will be much else in their way. Hopefully, that might stop the whining, but I'd bet it won't cause once you are in that under-priviledged pile, no matter how good it gets, seems like it's a bottomless pit.

Inferior soldiers and all that get booted out of the service all the time. I'd bet a lot of gays have custody rights like any other parents do. Sure some might have to fight and get attorney's, but straights have to do that, too. Not a completely priviledged thing really.

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1069

Duh. I'm a liberal leaning toward socialism. Of course that's what I want to happen.
I want equality for every citizen, even if it means that I and others have to sacrifice some of the unfair advantages we have through accidents of birth, the benefits we have but did not earn.

Marilyn Monroe

Hate to tell you, but it ain't gonna happen. Plus, I honestly believe this so-called equality you want would make life extremely boring. People don't do equality very well, it would be impossible. Maybe if everybody was nice, but this isn't heaven, so there's gonna be some hell for all of us here and there.

quatrotritikali

Gay revelers celebrate pride, marriage rights
By MALIA WOLLAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 6 minutes ago


SAN FRANCISCO - A lesbian motorcycle group dressed in bridal veils, wedding gowns and leather lent a matrimonial touch to San Francisco's gay pride parade Sunday as revelers celebrated their newfound freedom to marry.

The riders tossed bouquets as they led the city's 38th annual gay pride parade down Market Street. Some of the motorcycles were adorned with signs that read "Just Married."

Huge crowds lined the route as city tourism officials predicted the largest turnout yet for the parade, which typically draws tens of thousands.

The county clerk's office was busy Friday handing out marriage licenses and handling wedding ceremonies. Same-sex marriage has been legal in California since June 16, after a state Supreme Court decision.

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom received ovations along the parade route for his role in working to overturn the state's gay marriage ban.

Though City Hall was closed Sunday, parade organizers put up a wedding pavilion across the street where couples could get information about tying the knot or celebrate newly sanctioned unions.

Overseas, gay pride marches in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia and the Czech Republic city of Brno came under attack Saturday by extremists who threw rocks and eggs. No serious injuries were reported.

In Paris, more than half a million people celebrated in the streets below a river of rainbow flags.

In India, hundreds chanted for gay rights in Calcutta, Bangalore and New Delhi in the largest display of gay pride in the deeply conservative country, where homosexual acts are illegal. The marches came days before the Delhi High Court is expected to hear arguments on overturning a law against homosexual sex that dates to the British colonial era.

Gay revelers celebrate pride, marriage rights - Yahoo! News

HAPPY GAY PRIDE DAY TO ALL MY RAINBOW FAMILY!

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Urethra Franklin

You said they were almost or nearly interchangable or something to that effect. That is still incorrect in my opinion. You continue to tie yourself in knots with very lengty definitions, but the reality is that in the English language, the words "pride" and "power" evoke different things.


There is a huge difference between having simply studied a subject and actually being able to critically analyse the issues and formulate an opinion which stands up.
The differences are thus:
For one I'm not screaming "Some of my best friends are black and they think slavery was pretty OK actually. Free food and board - why should they complain - it was way worse in Afghanistan" I add that my partner is African because as a white woman with a black man, I have experienced prejudice first hand (nowhere more so than in your dear "land of the free"). This is somewhat different to the old "some of my best friends are.......that proves I'm open and actually, they're happy with their lot" arguments. You present a series of gay neighbourhoods you've lived in or gay pride events you've attended (yet you don't agree with gay pride events, and you call ME a hypocrite?) and drag queens who've sat on your lap - yes, I'm sure you really got inside that drag queen's head and learned about the everyday difficulties he faces ) I believe my experience is relevant to any debate on prejudice because I've seen ugly racism first hand. To my mind that has more substance than the old "some of my best friends are......." However, as I said above, if you choose not to believe me, nobody really gives a damn, not least me.




Sadly, you don't take your own advice.



Bod, this rant is borderline hysteria. You take DP far too seriously.

You make assuptions.
This isn't about "knowing more" or point scoring. It's about differing opinions. As an African, my partner probably has a very different perspective on black identity than blacks from your own country, and as a United Statesian, yes you probably know more about US black history, the black power movement, Malcolm X etc. than he does. Your point is? Do you need to have felt you have "won" again?

See above


Yet you don't agree with gay pride events?
I did actually ask how you met your gay friends, how many you have and what common interests hold your friendships together. You failed to give a straight answer, so what is one to assume?


Again you throw out insults, and again you demonstrate that you come on here not to debate but to come out on top, to win. And you claim you are not shallow?
How insightful. I've waited 44 years to have my mind opened by bod
I don't think you actually mean that.
Hostilities aside for one moment, since you referred to your two "cuties" in your pic. You do have two very beautiful children bod. Congratulations.

I shall leave it there bod. Our arguments are becoming circular so I shan't continue, but go on, you have the last word

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Panache

You aren't completely stupid, which is an accident of birth that makes you privileged. If there were a medical procedure available to reduce your IQ, would you volunteer to undergo it in order to remove your own unfair privilege?

shuamort

I read that book in high school. Seriously. It was a very obvious anti-communism book that had a futuristic society that dumbed down the intelligent, weighed down the strong, etc.

1069

No, because whatever native intelligence I possess, I have applied toward the end of trying to make things more just and equitable for everyone.
I have also not done anything by way of cultivating my intellect or parlaying it into power, status, or monetary gain- nothing that would give me any advantage over others- other than reading books, listening to people, and keeping my eyes peeled. I understand that my intellect is a byproduct of being privileged: white and well-born. Yet without education, it avails me little (I won't say "nothing"; that would be disingenuous). And I genuinely do what I can to advance equality. Born stupid, I'd be able to do much less. As it is, even ignorant and uneducated, I have a gift with words that sometimes compels people to listen to me as they would not to someone without that gift.
I would not toss it away when it can be used to help the situation, even though it is the result of unearned privilege.