Bodhisattva

It will be an interesting experience if we ever meet.

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Tashah

In the Nazi system, homosexuals were classified as "asocial" elements and were typically incarcerated in labor camps. They were identified by a pink triangle stitched on their shirt/blouse. Male homosexuals typically either perished under camp conditions, were executed by camp guards, or were murdered by fellow inmates. The best chance at survival was to become the "bitch" of their Kapo (barrack supervisor - a prisoner usually incarcerated as a criminal with a green triangle) who would in turn protect them from harm. Lesbians were almost always incarcerated at the Ravensbrück female camp facility, and their survival rate was better than that of male homosexuals who could wind up anywhere within the Nazi camp system.

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do you even read your own posts? you said it was "cherry picking" to only concern yourself with one civil rights issue, my point was that each of those leaders, who are universally lauded, were only concerned with a relatively centered body of issues. Martin Luther King didn't campaign for women's rights. That wasn't because he was "cherry picking" or because wasn't concerned about the rights of women, it was because he knew the best way to accomplish his goals of social equity was to focus on one issue at a time.

as social equity is expanded each era will have its own issues. the turn of the century had the first wave of women's rights. the 60s had the culmination of black rights. the 70s had the second wave of women's rights and the beginning of gay rights.

while blacks and women do continue to struggle in some areas there progress has been established and become self-sustaining. homosexual rights have yet to reach that point, and so require stronger focus today.

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And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike.

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I've read that they saw homosexuality as more a disease afflicting otherwise capable and productive aryans, rather then equivalent to jews or slavs who were utterly irredeemable. This position relegated homosexuals to "study" rather then extermination, in most instances.

Nazis pioneered the kind of aversion therapies which later became vogue throughout the West until the 70s...although maintain their popularity in some of the more barbaric American Christian "ex-gay" ministries.

Bodhisattva

Why do the homosexuals then piggyback the Civil Rights Movement of the African Americans?

Jerry

Where's the statue representing Hitler's abuse of Black men? Of women?

Is there, and I honestly don't know, a memorial depicting jews in the practice of their faith? A statue of a Jew practicing his faith, like a priest in robes posed as though reading from the Torah, or anything of that nature?

Show me that these other groups are already represented in a similar fashion and that this memorial is not but an addition to an existing collection sub-dividing the victims of Hitler.

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Lerxst was right
......Lerxst is always right
!Lerxst in 2012!

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all civil rights movements are part of a continuum of social progress

when people were less evolved, when society was more barbaric, society required strong social control. norms had to be strictly enforced because without strong regulation society would collapse and man would go back to living in trees.

as society becomes more civilized less and less social control is required as increasing sophistication allows for the enjoyment of freedoms which would have been dangerous in more barbaric times.

I believe the reason Southerners find social change so frightening is because the South is fundamentally less civilized then the North, and as a result requires stricter social control.

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undoubtedly somewhere. there is endless holocaust memorials in the world.

what makes the gay memorial particularly relevant is that it's something which was ignored for so long, and even continued in a lesser degree.

Jerry

That's a good one

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Places that have really developed are capable of rationally proportioning social concerns. Baby Jesus's tears at the thought of two men married or college kids getting stoned at a party are rightly seen as inconsequential compared to broad social and economic inequalities.