Monument to homosexual victims of Nazis unveiled - Page 3

Jerry · 05-31-08, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

I guarantee there are at least 100 holocaust memorial, I know of 2 gay ones.

What the hell Jews do you know? I literally haven't gone more then two weeks in my entire life without hearing a Very Solemn Speech about the horrors of the Holocaust. I think it's excessive but ultimately tolerating endless Holocaust speeches is hardly a burden compared to allowing that kind of anti-semitism to rise.

Will & Grace is my equality? Does Will & Grace allow me to marry, give me hospital visitation rights or adoption rights?

Being gay absolutely does not hurt you- provided you live in a cosmopolitan urban center full of progressive liberals. other places are...well...Laremy. Of course the irony is that where gays really need help, places like Laremy, it isn't given. Places where we're protected and accepted, like Germany, is where people are "working against intolerance". I'm aware that this isn't particularly good strategy. However, building gay monuments in JEE-SUS land would actually be "shoving it down your throats", which is of course much more valuable then human rights.

Do you want to know the real reason red staters don't want gays to have equality? It isn't just about their hatred, its' about deep rooted loathing of the progressive North. The South is still mad that the North used federal power to force them to change their society through desegregation. Now, I genuinely believe that the South isn't particularly more racist then the North (in fact in some ways I think it's less racist), however I think the South is still seething that "those damn uppity Yankees" forced their views (even though they're now universally accepted as the correct view) on them. As a consequence they want to do something similar to the North- and they've chosen homosexuals as an easy target.

It's entirely about obsession, hatred and inferiority complexes.

If Gay marriage supporters were really about equality they would discriminate against polygamists.

new coup for you · 05-31-08, 02:30 AM

civil progress works through gradation, and those who support one grade don't necessarily support the other.

Jerry · 05-31-08, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

well, the Nazis did oppose homosexuality for many of the same reasons as the current political right...not for Jesus, but out of authoritarian obsession to squelch social dissent, love of traditional family and a general belief that homosexuality was a liberal plot.

That fact that you are now defending what I accused only means that what I accused was correct.

Godwin's law bro, look it up.

Jerry · 05-31-08, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

civil progress works through gradation, and those who support one grade don't necessarily support the other.

= discrimination.

In years to come, the definition of marriage you so desperately fight for will be called all the names the current one is.

new coup for you · 05-31-08, 02:32 AM

yes I know what Godwin's law is. However, unlike calling someone a nazi over Counter Strike or Windows Vista, this topic is actually about the Holocaust and the Nazis actually did persecute homosexuals operating under much of the same logic as the current right.

new coup for you · 05-31-08, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

= discrimination.

no, it's called picking your battles. trying to free the slaves, give women the vote and decriminalize homosexuality in 1864 would have been impossible

additionally gays fight for gay rights, polygamy isn't our issue or our battle

Jerry · 05-31-08, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

no, it's called picking your battles. trying to free the slaves, give women the vote and decriminalize homosexuality in 1864 would have been impossible

additionally gays fight for gay rights, polygamy isn't our issue or our battle

= cherry-picking.

new coup for you · 05-31-08, 02:36 AM

so you think ever civil rights leader was full of **** because they didn't champion every injustice ever

Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela were all actually bigots

Jerry · 05-31-08, 02:42 AM

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so you think ever civil rights leader was full of **** because they didn't champion every injustice ever

Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela were all actually bigots

So gay statue = Martin Luther King?

Ooohhh...new coup for you = Ghandi?

The Nazis ****ed everyone. Nothing about WW2 makes homosexuals special.

Bodhisattva · 05-31-08, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gipper

Wow. Six million Jews and four million communists killed by the Third Reich...but let's not forget the fifty thousand gays.

Screw this man. Okay then, can we build 120 memorials for Jews in proportion? Or do they have to elect a Jewish mayor for that?

Makes me want McGreevey curbstomped.

Monuments to the fallen are fine no matter how few.
Does New Zealand have no right to honor the 11,625 killed during WWII then?

There are monuments all over the country for their fallen.
Australia too.

50,000 is a lot of people to be singled out and murdered, unless I am a complete unthinking silly person, I would imagine that most people would agree that honoring people of any sex, race, or sexual orientation that were systematically hunted down and gased to death would think that a monument is not that big of a deal... that may differ from homophobic bigots though... I have no idea why they think the way that they do.