Monument to homosexual victims of Nazis unveiled - Page 10

Dezaad · 06-02-08, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Specifically, speeches made at the unveiling of memorial depicting the practice of the faith, not just any memorial that represents that Jews were murdered.

Why that stricture about 'practice of the faith'. How is that relevant?

Jerry · 06-02-08, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaad

Why that stricture about 'practice of the faith'. How is that relevant?

The monument is a statue depicting the practice of homosexuality ( the statue is of 2 men kissing), not a representation of the deaths of gay men and women, like a list of names. Therefore, an equivalent Jewish monument would be, for example, a Jew lighting the menorah, or a rabbi reading the Torah.

Dezaad · 06-02-08, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

The monument is a statue depicting the practice of homosexuality (the statue is of 2 men kissing), not a representation of the deaths of gay men and women, like a list of names. Therefore, an equivalent Jewish monument would be, for example, a Jew lighting the menorah, or a rabbi reading the Torah.

So, Jewish memorials that depict the lighting of the menorah, or a rabbi reading the Torah would 'go beyond memorializing the death of Jewish people' in the Holocaust?

Jerry · 06-02-08, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaad

So, Jewish memorials that depict the lighting of the menorah, or a rabbi reading the Torah would 'go beyond memorializing the death of Jewish people' in the Holocaust?

Yes.

Such a statue would be an image in the public eye, one witch the public would become acclimated to, thereby creating more tolerance to actual people seen carrying out the actual act.

winston53660 · 06-02-08, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

The monument is a statue depicting the practice of homosexuality ( the statue is of 2 men kissing), not a representation of the deaths of gay men and women, like a list of names. Therefore, an equivalent Jewish monument would be, for example, a Jew lighting the menorah, or a rabbi reading the Torah.

Are you trying to suggest artist should be held to some kind of contextual standard?

Jerry · 06-02-08, 08:36 PM

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Are you trying to suggest artist should be held to some kind of contextual standard?

I know, it's a horrible thing for me to do in an age where piss-Jesus is considered acceptable contemporary art, but I am a bitter American clinging tenaciously to my guns and bible, so deal with it.

winston53660 · 06-02-08, 08:44 PM

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I know, it's a horrible thing for me to do in an age where piss-Jesus is considered acceptable contemporary art, but I am a bitter American clinging tenaciously to my guns and bible, so deal with it.

Dang you are all over the map with this comment. Look if you don't like a work of art than don't look at it. Artworks are meant to stand on their own and for you to demand artist do your bidding is nothing but totalitarian.

Jerry · 06-02-08, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

Dang you are all over the map with this comment. Look if you don't like a work of art than don't look at it. Artworks are meant to stand on their own and for you to demand artist do your bidding is nothing but totalitarian.

Look if you don't like a my posts than don't read them. My arguments are meant to stand on their own and for you to demand I do your bidding is nothing but totalitarian.

winston53660 · 06-02-08, 09:11 PM

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Look if you don't like a my posts than don't read them. My arguments are meant to stand on their own and for you to demand I do your bidding is nothing but totalitarian.

I never said anything of the sort. Your entire argument here has been based on artist representing what you want represented.

Dezaad · 06-02-08, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Yes.

Such a statue would be an image in the public eye, one witch the public would become acclimated to, thereby creating more tolerance to actual people seen carrying out the actual act.

Oh.

I disagree, any depiction of a mennorah, Torah or Star of David in a Holocaust memorial would cause people to become more accustomed to symbols of Jewish life and thereby sympathetic to Jewish people. This is a good thing, and I am glad of it.

Likewise, a kiss between two men when depicted in art is a symbol of homosexual love. When depicted in art as part of a Holocaust Memorial, it serves to cause people (just as you say) to become more accustomed to and sympathetic toward Homosexual people. This is a good thing and I am glad of it.