Since when is sexual assault funny? - Page 11

rathi · 05-05-08, 06:03 AM

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Sarah Tobias, played by Jodie Foster in The Accused, won her case using this kind of prosecution. Part of her rape was induced by the peer pressure of others there.

The Accused case was a clear cut case of forcible rape. The peer pressure thing was based on determining the guilt of the bar patrons who did not physically participate but did verbally encourage the act. This is determining whether peer pressure was enough to warrant legal coercion. The accused case is not really applicable.

Trinity · 05-05-08, 08:24 AM

Read this one today :

Daily Confession Users Forum - On-Stage Sexual Assault ... allegedly

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He has a history of this sort of behaviour - he did a milder version of this on TV and was wrestled off a woman by the production crew.

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TheOB
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May 1 18:06

I was one of the "pallbearers", with two friends. The other three "pallbearers" were friends of the girl being carried. At no point were any of us "goaded to finger the girl", nor did Johnny Vegas "finger her through her clothes". I was about 3 meters away. Her friends were encouraging Johnny Vegas, and telling him to kiss her. The girls boyfriend was about 5 meters away, in the front row. He did not seem upset.
It wasn't the most tasteful comedy gig I've been to, but it was far from being the outrageous sexual assault that Mary O'Hara is making it out to be.
At no point throughout did any of these outraged and distressed members of the audience protest. I certainly would have heard the almost self proclaimed hero, Mary O'Hara, had she said anything. She did not say a thing. Was she even there? I wonder...

The men with her didn't see anything wrong with what was going on, apparently, and were encouraging Johnny Vegas to go further. I think this answers the question of why she didn't stop what was going on. Aside from the intimidating giant man straddling her, not even her boyfriend supported her. I'm also interested that this seems to be the only person who didn't see the vulva-touching, but I'm not going to cry shenanigans, just raise an eyebrow.

Unbelievable. Being carried up onstage? No problem. That could be funny. Being stroked on the breasts? The minute that happened, if I were this lady, I would give him one tight slap across the face and probably kick him in the nuts and see how he can laugh his act off.

1069 · 05-05-08, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rathi

The Accused case was a clear cut case of forcible rape. The peer pressure thing was based on determining the guilt of the bar patrons who did not physically participate but did verbally encourage the act. This is determining whether peer pressure was enough to warrant legal coercion. The accused case is not really applicable.

Yeah, I was thinking that myself; there's no correlation at all.

Sarah Tobias was raped, while she struggled and screamed for help, and eventually managed to break away and flee, and call the police.
She was not "coerced" or pressured in any way into voluntarily accepting any of this; she did not accept it.
It was clear cut rape.

As you say, Rathi, the only "pressuring" was what the men were doing to each other; egging each other on.

1069 · 05-05-08, 11:43 AM

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I was one of the "pallbearers", with two friends. The other three "pallbearers" were friends of the girl being carried. At no point were any of us "goaded to finger the girl", nor did Johnny Vegas "finger her through her clothes". I was about 3 meters away. Her friends were encouraging Johnny Vegas, and telling him to kiss her. The girls boyfriend was about 5 meters away, in the front row. He did not seem upset.
It wasn't the most tasteful comedy gig I've been to, but it was far from being the outrageous sexual assault that Mary O'Hara is making it out to be.
At no point throughout did any of these outraged and distressed members of the audience protest. I certainly would have heard the almost self proclaimed hero, Mary O'Hara, had she said anything. She did not say a thing. Was she even there? I wonder...

Interesting.

I pretty much suspected the author of the original editorial- and that's what it must be, an op-ed piece; one can't really call it an article, because that's not how news is reported. It was purely an opinion piece- was making much ado about nothing.
The "girl" (who was not in fact a girl but a woman) looked "nervous" (in the author's opinion) and was giggling "nervously" (again, in the author's opinion) like a deer caught in the headlights (in the author's opinion).
What kind of "news" is that; it's total bull****, the overwrought imaginings of some het-up middle-aged virgin.

The woman's friends and boyfriend were with her, and saw nothing amiss.
The woman was amused, and participated voluntarily.
Who cares if the comedy routine was "tasteful" or not? I've never seen one that was.
The audience seemed to find it amusing at the time, despite our monday morning quarterbacking.

People need to get a life and get their noses out of other people's business.

Felicity · 05-05-08, 11:53 AM

Consider that that was a post on a forum of someone claiming to be one of the "pall-bearers." It is interesting, but I certainly don't think that's as valid as a journalist's account of the scene who risks her reputation and name with her "opinion." Give it more time. Something more will come out be it either way on the issue. I STILL maintain such filth only aids to degrade women.

BTW--the second post (not quoted above) describes an atmosphere of intimidation. BUT--both are anonymous forum posts.

CaptainCourtesy · 05-05-08, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rathi

The Accused case was a clear cut case of forcible rape. The peer pressure thing was based on determining the guilt of the bar patrons who did not physically participate but did verbally encourage the act. This is determining whether peer pressure was enough to warrant legal coercion. The accused case is not really applicable.

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Originally Posted by 1069

Yeah, I was thinking that myself; there's no correlation at all.

Sarah Tobias was raped, while she struggled and screamed for help, and eventually managed to break away and flee, and call the police.
She was not "coerced" or pressured in any way into voluntarily accepting any of this; she did not accept it.
It was clear cut rape.

As you say, Rathi, the only "pressuring" was what the men were doing to each other; egging each other on.

I used the Sarah Tobias case as an example of the impact of peer pressure...a very narrow usage. I agree; there is no correlation between Sarah being raped and what happened to the girl in the OP. However, the connection is the potential power of peer pressure and it's impact on others' behavior. The extent of the Ms. Tobias' rape was intensified by the peer pressure of the spectators. This can be a mitigating factor in a variety of situations. Peer pressure can influence behavior in ways that seem to be out of character.

Gipper · 05-05-08, 02:01 PM

So tell me, Felicity...do you smoke? You put out to any guy that says "Come on baby, it's alright"? You hit the bong with the guy that says "it's not that bad"?

You seem to think that mild coercion and "peer pressure" are these unclimbable walls and oh-so-powerful. If that's true with you, you must be a blast on a Friday night.

Tashah · 05-05-08, 02:19 PM

Moderator's Warning:

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Hatuey · 05-05-08, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

Not talking about reporting, talking about objecting to the act at the time it's happening.

You think women that are sexually assaulted don't complain or fight it during the assault "all the time"?

Apologies thought you were talking about it being reported(complain).

Felicity · 05-05-08, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Moderator's Warning:

I have moved this thread for two reasons. Firstly, this is an 'Opinion' piece from a personal blog. The *Breaking News* Rules and Guidelines prohibit such articles in the *BN* forum. Secondly, this thread has incrementally devolved into trolling, sniping, and recrimination. This thread now resides in a more suitable forum.

Oh...great..

..Now Ten can say what's really on her mind