Scientists Make Fruit Flies Gay, Then Straight Again - Page 2

1069 · 12-10-07, 10:06 PM

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Being gay today doesn't carry the stigma it did 20 or even 40 years ago...

... and even if it did, the answer would not be to "fix gays", who aren't broken in the first place, but rather to fix society, which is.

The silenced majority · 12-10-07, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069

... and even if it did, the answer would not be to "fix gays", who aren't broken in the first place, but rather to fix society, which is.

100,000,000+ deaths in the 20th century brought to you by the: "We're here to fix society" crowd...

no thanks.

The silenced majority · 12-10-07, 10:37 PM

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Being gay today doesn't carry the stigma it did 20 or even 40 years ago so I doubt the number of gay guys sitting in their rooms going "Why ain't I normal!?" is all that big. Just doesn't seem likely. Maybe a few in ulta conservative families and hidden hypocrites but otherwise? No not really. I don't wonder why I like women and not men. If a gay guy wondered why he likes other guys and not girls then thats who I think has a problem in need for correcting.

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

I find it to be about as il-liberal as you can be as to tell somebody who may question why or dislike the fact that he/she is gay, that they shouldn't have hope to change or want to change that aspect about themselves.

I think it's downright cruel..

Pro-choice... pfffft.

Hatuey · 12-10-07, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The silenced majority

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

I find it to be about as il-liberal as you can be as to tell somebody who may question why or dislike the fact that he/she is gay, that they shouldn't have hope to change or want to change that aspect about themselves.

I think it's downright cruel..

Pro-choice... pfffft.

Being attracted to the same sex is not a choice. Acting on that is.

But I see your point. "Fix" all the self hating gays. And even then being gay would not be a choice. You'd either like men or you wouldn't. "Fixing" yourself would be the choice. Which I find downright unnatural.

independent_thinker2002 · 12-10-07, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

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So if they can duplicate this in humans... does this mean it will be voluntary correction of the problem or forced on those in need of "help"?

Or will the gay rights crowd fight this research in fear?

Very interesting

Where's the punchline?

The silenced majority · 12-10-07, 11:16 PM

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Being attracted to the same sex is not a choice. Acting on that is.

But I see your point. "Fix" all the self hating gays. And even then being gay would not be a choice. You'd either like men or you wouldn't. "Fixing" yourself would be the choice. Which I find downright unnatural.

Is it fixing a self-hating woman when a man has a sex change?

I just find it a paradox of the liberal position when it comes to this issue of human sexuality as it relates to gender reassignment, for example. Why would it be OK for somebody to desire a sex-change but it not be OK for the same person to explore ways to change their sexuality?

I just think the liberal position would universally be do as you wish, but for some reason they scoff at the notion of scientifically being able to turn a homosexual straight...

I just find it unlikely that every person out there who is gay is 100% comfortable with it, and wouldn't seek to change their sexuality if given the opportunity through science...

Hatuey · 12-10-07, 11:27 PM

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Is it fixing a self-hating woman when a man has a sex change?

No it is not. You're still a man inside. No amount of surgery can change that no matter what you do.

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I just find it a paradox of the liberal position when it comes to this issue of human sexuality as it relates to gender reassignment, for example. Why would it be OK for somebody to desire a sex-change but it not be OK for the same person to explore ways to change their sexuality?

I just think the liberal position would universally be do as you wish, but for some reason they scoff at the notion of scientifically being able to turn a homosexual straight...

I just find it unlikely that every person out there who is gay is 100% comfortable with it, and wouldn't seek to change their sexuality if given the opportunity through science...

You're creating a huge strawman. The liberal position as I know it to be on this issue is not "It's not ok" or "it is ok". You have the choice to do it and most liberals support that choice but do not take acceptance to be the same as approval. I don't approve of men becoming women but I do accept it and wouldn't deny a transsexual shelter on a cold night or treat them in a biased way. I find that unless you have an odd medical condition you were born the way you were born because thats the way your DNA or w/e it is that makes you who you are aligned itself. No amount of science can "fix" a human being who isn't broken in any way. Wanting to change yourself because of the notions others have of you and who you are(which is the only reason I find a gay person would have for doing this), is ludicrous and I completely oppose it.

MrVicchio · 12-11-07, 12:32 AM

Guys,

Drop the venom at me, and anything else, and look at the issue from the perspective of "If they could apply this towards humans, then what?"

Because if you could "cure" homosexuality..... conversely one could cause homosexuality.

I'm surprised no one brought that up, unless I missed it.

FallingPianos · 12-11-07, 12:34 AM

I recommend using this study to find ways to make straight people gay.

mikhail · 12-11-07, 12:37 AM

well i imagine there will be a way to do this in humans one day doesent seem outside the realm of possibilitys.If so i magine some people would want e.g Ted Haggard.