"Hate Crime" Doesn't Require Hate

The Baron · 08-09-07, 09:15 AM

A judge in New York has ruled evidence of "hatred" is unnecessary for a prosecutor to pursue a "hate crimes" case against three men arrested for the death of a homosexual man.

The written ruling came from Judge Jill Konviser of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn, and concluded prosecutors only need to show that the man, who was beaten and then hit by a vehicle in a robbery attempt, was picked because of his sexual orientation, according to a report in the New York Times.

The judge said that is enough for prosecutors to seek enhanced penalties for the defendants, if convicted, under the state's Hate Crimes Act of 2000.

That type of law, which as WND has reported now is being proposed at the federal level, allows for higher penalties – sometimes dramatically higher – for the same crime based on the characteristics of a victim, in this case his homosexuality." - World Net Daily

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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=57057

To get started:

1) Is this judge's decision the correct one?

2) What public good is served by making it "more illegal" to kill a homosexual than a straight person?

jfuh · 08-09-07, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Baron

A judge in New York has ruled evidence of "hatred" is unnecessary for a prosecutor to pursue a "hate crimes" case against three men arrested for the death of a homosexual man.

The written ruling came from Judge Jill Konviser of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn, and concluded prosecutors only need to show that the man, who was beaten and then hit by a vehicle in a robbery attempt, was picked because of his sexual orientation, according to a report in the New York Times.

The judge said that is enough for prosecutors to seek enhanced penalties for the defendants, if convicted, under the state's Hate Crimes Act of 2000.

That type of law, which as WND has reported now is being proposed at the federal level, allows for higher penalties – sometimes dramatically higher – for the same crime based on the characteristics of a victim, in this case his homosexuality." - World Net Daily

You can find the rest of the article here...
WorldNetDaily: 'Hate crimes' charge doesn't require 'hate'

To get started:

1) Is this judge's decision the correct one?

2) What public good is served by making it "more illegal" to kill a homosexual than a straight person?

There's already a thread on this.

zookeeper007 · 08-21-07, 06:59 PM

To get started:

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1) Is this judge's decision the correct one?

Yes.

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2) What public good is served by making it "more illegal" to kill a homosexual than a straight person?

The purpose has nothing to do with the victim being "gay" persay, it would be the same, and just, if the hate had been based because he was a Jew, or black, or poor, or disabled or a woman. It has everything to do with the particular problem of "hate" against any group. That kind of hate erodes entire communities and areas. It is learned. Just as those who are fighting the KKK in the south have found. It breeds lack of empathy in the community and allows violent gangs of all types to take hold. It allows pressure to conform to the majority even when human decency says it is unacceptable. The founder of the KKK himself disbanded the organization for that very reason, it was intended to be a young mans social group.

THIS IS NOT A "GAY" ISSUE.
Just an observation,
Zoo