Insane leftist idiots let children pretend to be members of the opposite sex - Page 3

jallman · 02-02-07, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaad

I think we may agree on this, but just be starting to talk past one another, except for one point. I am not sure I agree that gender identity 'develops' in the sense that you do. Boys are boys and girls are girls (usually), it seems to me, from very early on. I would venture that it is inborn.

Do you think that the people in the story are jumping to a conclusion?

Well...I have reservations any time a child's false perception of reality is reinforced beyond the seriousness of "play" and "make believe". The fact is, the child is born with a physical gender and, while the gender identity may develop otherwise, I think it has to be much less confusing for the child to treat him/her as the physical gender. So yes, I think there is a bit of conclusion jumping going on with the story...

jallman · 02-02-07, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

I can see where it might happen. However, in regards to this particlular story, the parents have taken the child to experts all over Germany. I prefer to trust the expert's opinion, namely that this individual is suffering from gender dysphoria. You also have to remember that this isn't a three year-old we're talking about. This kid is 12. I don't know about you, but by the age of 12, I was perfectly comfortable being a girl.

I've never been comfortable being a girl.

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Well...I have reservations any time a child's false perception of reality is reinforced beyond the seriousness of "play" and "make believe". The fact is, the child is born with a physical gender and, while the gender identity may develop otherwise, I think it has to be much less confusing for the child to treat him/her as the physical gender. So yes, I think there is a bit of conclusion jumping going on with the story...

So you don't believe a child could have a different gender identity than the gender they were born with?

jallman · 02-02-07, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

So you don't believe a child could have a different gender identity than the gender they were born with?

I do believe that gender dysphoria is a very real mental condition (I hesitate to call it an illness). However, I just think that in the overwhelming majority of cases where the symptoms are observed, that it is just a child being imaginative, whimsical, and fanciful. I just wouldn't want to see a trend move toward "repairing" issues that aren't really there.

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I do believe that gender dysphoria is a very real mental condition (I hesitate to call it an illness). However, I just think that in the overwhelming majority of cases where the symptoms are observed, that it is just a child being imaginative, whimsical, and fanciful. I just wouldn't want to see a trend move toward "repairing" issues that aren't really there.

Fair enough. So in this instance when multiple specialists have agreed that the kid does suffer from this condition, do you support treating her according to the gender she feels she is or the one she was born with?

Makhno · 02-02-07, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage

What is ridiculous is allowing sex changes instead of getting people cured,What is idiotic is condoning sex changes,especially on little kids.Allowing and condoning any sex changes is Ignorant and retarded.

Hmm, I would have said that by allowing them to have sex change they actually were being cured (if they are genuine that is).

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Allowing and condoning any sex changes is Ignorant and retarded

I'm not really an expert on transgenderism, but could you explain to me why sex changes for people who want them is "igronant and retarded"? Also, how exactly would you "cure" them?

I suggest that you read a bit about the issue first, before you just go ahead and brand it like that.

jallman · 02-02-07, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

Fair enough. So in this instance when multiple specialists have agreed that the kid does suffer from this condition, do you support treating her according to the gender she feels she is or the one she was born with?

I believe because of the complexity of the issues and the personal nature of the problem, he/she has a right to make that determination for him/herself. Part of that is allowing the child to develop the maturity it takes to grapple with these decisions and issues. Until that time comes, I believe it is better to act in accordance with physical reality rather than pursue treatment of a condition that already has many gray areas.

jamesrage · 02-02-07, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

So you don't believe a child could have a different gender identity than the gender they were born with?

No,that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I believe because of the complexity of the issues and the personal nature of the problem, he/she has a right to make that determination for him/herself. Part of that is allowing the child to develop the maturity it takes to grapple with these decisions and issues. Until that time comes, I believe it is better to act in accordance with physical reality rather than pursue treatment of a condition that already has many gray areas.

Hmm...so despite the fact that you believe gender dysphoria is a very real mental condition that some people have, you would still raise the child by the born gender, instead of the gender they feel they are. If someone is actually gender dysphoric, don't you think treating them as a gender they don't feel they are would lead to much bigger problems down the road?

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage

No,that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

I must assume that is only because you have not had enough education into the subject. Suffice it to say, it happens.