Insane leftist idiots let children pretend to be members of the opposite sex - Page 2

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaad

I have been having an ongoing debate with my neighbor about this very subject. There is a girl in her son's grade school who is convinced she is a boy. We have gone round and round about the wisdom of raising the child as a boy. I have tried to explain what happens psychologically to a child who is raised to be the 'wrong' sex (by wrong I mean: the child's physical gender is wrong). Suicide, general social dysfunction, etc. She seems to accept these things are true, but is afraid that her own sons will somehow be adversely affected when they discover this boy is actually physically a girl. I disagree that anything permanently traumatic will befall her child as a result. I asserted that the gender-dysphoric child was more in need of protection from the other kids than the other way around. We have pretty much agreed to stop talking about it.

That's probably safe. This seems like one of those things people are so set in their ways over they won't listen to reason.

jamesrage · 02-02-07, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Feela

What are you talking about? Ignorant, authoritarian predjudice like this is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is allowing sex changes instead of getting people cured,What is idiotic is condoning sex changes,especially on little kids.Allowing and condoning any sex changes is Ignorant and retarded.

Dezaad · 02-02-07, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

That's probably safe. This seems like one of those things people are so set in their ways over they won't listen to reason.

Perhaps. I think that people are utterly shaken by the idea that gender is more than simply a physical thing, and that the 'more than' part may not conform with the physical part. It is similar to the treatment of other birth anomolies in times past. Hell, I think people used to leave newborns to the elements when they had an unusual birthmark.

It makes sense to me that it is possible for the physical gender to not be the same as the 'wiring' gender. Which thing should be 'cured'? The wiring or the physical? I think trying to 'cure' the wiring only leads to a further degradation of the psychological health of the individual. Much more productive to cure the physical.

jallman · 02-02-07, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage

What is ridiculous is allowing sex changes instead of getting people cured,What is idiotic is condoning sex changes,especially on little kids.Allowing and condoning any sex changes is Ignorant and retarded.

Well, james, I totally see your point. With the whimsical nature of children and their penchant for imaginative games and what not, I think that pre-puberty is way to early to assert such a dramatic alteration of character on a child. Following puberty, if they are still having these issues and after much counseling and thought, then perhaps an assessment of possible gender identity issues may be in order.

Dezaad · 02-02-07, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Well, james, I totally see your point. With the whimsical nature of children and their penchant for imaginative games and what not, I think that pre-puberty is way to early to assert such a dramatic alteration of character on a child. Following puberty, if they are still having these issues and after much counseling and thought, then perhaps an assessment of possible gender identity issues may be in order.

I utterly disagree. Much of the psychological damage is likely to have already been done by the time of puberty. I think psychologists can figure out if its just experimental 'learning how the other half moves through life' and a genuine gender dysphoria.

I think the attempt at alteration of character is imposed by forcing them to live their physical gender.

jallman · 02-02-07, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaad

I utterly disagree. Much of the psychological damage is likely to have already been done by the time of puberty. I think psychologists can figure out if its just experimental 'learning how the other half moves through life' and a genuine gender dysphoria.

I think the attempt at alteration of character is imposed by forcing them to live their physical gender.

I never said one word about forcing a role upon the child...simply that there is no need to actively indulge such nonsense as gender dysphoria prior to puberty. Gender identity develops and to jump the conclusion that an imaginative child is suffering dysphoria is potentially more harmful than being patient with the child and their fancies.

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 02:52 PM

Again, to be fair to the actual story, nothing permanant is going to be done to the child until she reaches the age of 18.

jallman · 02-02-07, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

Again, to be fair to the actual story, nothing permanant is going to be done to the child until she reaches the age of 18.

Let me ask you...do you think that over indulging the imagination does nothing to the child?

Dezaad · 02-02-07, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I never said one word about forcing a role upon the child...simply that there is no need to actively indulge such nonsense as gender dysphoria prior to puberty. Gender identity develops and to jump the conclusion that an imaginative child is suffering dysphoria is potentially more harmful than being patient with the child and their fancies.

I think we may agree on this, but just be starting to talk past one another, except for one point. I am not sure I agree that gender identity 'develops' in the sense that you do. Boys are boys and girls are girls (usually), it seems to me, from very early on. I would venture that it is inborn.

Do you think that the people in the story are jumping to a conclusion?

Kelzie · 02-02-07, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Let me ask you...do you think that over indulging the imagination does nothing to the child?

I can see where it might happen. However, in regards to this particlular story, the parents have taken the child to experts all over Germany. I prefer to trust the expert's opinion, namely that this individual is suffering from gender dysphoria. You also have to remember that this isn't a three year-old we're talking about. This kid is 12. I don't know about you, but by the age of 12, I was perfectly comfortable being a girl.