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Do gays recruit children?

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I'm just curious whether anyone still holds this view.

Rachel Maddow recently interviewed Uganda's David Bahati, who is now in the United States to promote the anti homosexuality bill that he introduced in his country. He argues, apparently unaware that Maddow is a lesbian, that gays are out enticing children into the gay lifestyle and so the bill is meant to protect children. Typical to people who hold such intolerant views, he argues for people to tolerate his views.





Given that these views were largely exported by American evangelicals, I wonder if anyone here actually subscribes to these views. Also, if the democratic will of the people is to make homosexuality illegal, and punishable by life in prison or even death, do you feel that makes it justified?
 
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OscarB63 said:
the only thing even remotely close would be same-gender pedos enticing kids into the "gay lifestyle" and even that is more about control than homosexuality.

ridiculous concept.
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In the interest of playing devil's advocate, what is so ridiculous about it? As Maddow points out, some American leaders like Anita Bryant and Jerry Falwell have made this exact argument. When James C. Dobson, of Focus on the Family, coined the term "gay agenda" one of the points in that agenda was "recruiting of children". Social conservatives have been making this argument for decades, and now that they seem to have fewer receptive ears in America, they are seeking to use this argument to influence policies in Africa. What, exactly, has changed?
 
CriticalThought said:
In the interest of playing devil's advocate, what is so ridiculous about it? As Maddow points out, some American leaders like Anita Bryant and Jerry Falwell have made this exact argument. When James C. Dobson, of Focus on the Family, coined the term "gay agenda" one of the points in that agenda was "recruiting of children". Social conservatives have been making this argument for decades, and now that they seem to have fewer receptive ears in America, they are seeking to use this argument to influence policies in Africa. What, exactly, has changed?
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basically, I think human sexuality is such a complex issue that the number of variables involved in determining someone's sexual identity makes it problematical to intentionally steer a person towards a particular "interest".
 
CriticalThought said:
In the interest of playing devil's advocate, what is so ridiculous about it?
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How exactly does one "recruit" kids to be gay?

As Maddow points out, some American leaders like Anita Bryant and Jerry Falwell have made this exact argument. When James C. Dobson, of Focus on the Family, coined the term "gay agenda" one of the points in that agenda was "recruiting of children".
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Dobson is also a world-class idiot. Virtually all of FOF's material has been rebuked by every single professional psychological organization in the US.

Social conservatives have been making this argument for decades, and now that they seem to have fewer receptive ears in America, they are seeking to use this argument to influence policies in Africa. What, exactly, has changed?
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People want to hear views that coincide with theirs, regardless of how true they actually are
 
Hoplite said:
How exactly does one "recruit" kids to be gay?
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According to the video, money is apparantly a good incentive.

Dobson is also a world-class idiot. Virtually all of FOF's material has been rebuked by every single professional psychological organization in the US.
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Everyone knows that all those so called professional organizations are in cahoots with the gays.
 
In Uganda they have so many more issues to worry about than this subject.

Passing this bill won't fix their problems - in fact - it will only create more ESPECIALLY if they lose funding that they depend on from other Western Countries as has been threatened.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
In Uganda they have so many more issues to worry about than this subject.

Passing this bill won't fix their problems - in fact - it will only create more ESPECIALLY if they lose funding that they depend on from other Western Countries as has been threatened.
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On the bright side, Uganda has become a model to other African countries as to how to reduce HIV infections. It used the ABC model (Abstinence, Be faithful, use Condoms) to significantly reduce its infection rates. Although the same religous forces in the country that want to eradicate gays also wants to do away with the C part of the ABC model. That is troubling.
 
CriticalThought said:
Given that these views were largely exported by American evangelicals, I wonder if anyone here actually subscribes to these views.
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I'd have to see some evidence before I was willing to accept that Uganda's or David Bahati's views on homosexuality were the 'largely' the result of american evangelicals.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I'd have to see some evidence before I was willing to accept that Uganda's or David Bahati's views on homosexuality were the 'largely' the result of american evangelicals.
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Will this work?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

KAMPALA, Uganda — Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.

The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was “the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda” — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family.

For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

Now the three Americans are finding themselves on the defensive, saying they had no intention of helping stoke the kind of anger that could lead to what came next: a bill to impose a death sentence for homosexual behavior.

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician (David Bahati), who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.
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Nobody is contesting that American evangelicals contributed greatly to the current situation in Uganda, not even the evangelicals themselves. One of them even issued a formal apology after his ministry came under fire for it.
 
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hazlnut said:
In that case, every major sports venue recruits children.
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And now you start to see the inner workings of this diabolical plan, and what this Ugandan dude was going on about.
 
marduc said:
And now you start to see the inner workings of this diabolical plan, and what this Ugandan dude was going on about.
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Sports...of course...groups of men coming together to play with balls and sticks...it's so gay.
 
CriticalThought said:
Sports...of course...groups of men coming together to play with balls and sticks...it's so gay.
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That always confused me. Baseball and football are great examples and the quintessential American sports; a bunch of big sweaty guys running around in tight pants and smacking each other's asses....yet this is supposed to be the utmost display of manliness, WTF?
 
CriticalThought said:
Sports...of course...groups of men coming together to play with balls and sticks...it's so gay.
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Hoplite said:
That always confused me. Baseball and football are great examples and the quintessential American sports; a bunch of big sweaty guys running around in tight pants and smacking each other's asses....yet this is supposed to be the utmost display of manliness, WTF?
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Not to mention the showering together, the sharing of hotel rooms on the road, all the balls they play with, and long cylinderical things as well
 
CriticalThought said:
Given that these views were largely exported by American evangelicals, I wonder if anyone here actually subscribes to these views. Also, if the democratic will of the people is to make homosexuality illegal, and punishable by life in prison or even death, do you feel that makes it justified?
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I'm an evangelical and I'm against gay marriage, but I don't support killing them. I don't know any evangelicals or anyone in my church who believes that gays should be put to death. Nice try and Christian bashing though.
 
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digsbe said:
I was responding to your comment. I did read the thread that you posted. However I feel your points are wrong. I am an evangelical, I go to an evangelical church. No one I know supports making homosexuality punishable by death.
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I posted the evidence supporting my claims. Here it is again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html?_r=1

Jackass, bigoted, Evangelicals contributed greatly to the current situation in Uganda. That is the reality. It isn't Christian bashing just because I called out 3 ****ers who endangered the lives of gays in Uganda with their hateful propaganda and lies.

Or are all Christians above all reproach now? Should I just start kissing every bigoted Christian's ass and allow them to promote the killing of any group they don't like?
 
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CriticalThought said:
I posted the evidence supporting my claims. Here it is again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html?_r=1

Jackass, bigoted, Evangelicals contributed greatly to the current situation in Uganda. That is the reality. It isn't Christian bashing just because I called out 3 ****ers who endangered the lives of gays in Uganda with their hateful propaganda and lies.

Or are all Christians above all reproach now? Should I just start kissing every bigoted Christian's ass and allow them to promote the killing of any group they don't like?
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Nope, attacking one Christian is attacking all Christians, or something.
 
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Deuce said:
Nope, attacking one Christian is attacking all Christians, or something.
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Serious or joking?

One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch - wording is important.

I bash them all equally with one big freaking stick, though :) I don't care too much.
 
Deuce said:
Nope, attacking one Christian is attacking all Christians, or something.
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Depends on how you word it. Not ALL evangelicals call on the death of gays. If you say, evangelicals do, you are overgeneralizing and making an inaccurate statement. Clarity is key.
 
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