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    Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    At the request of another poster, I have started a new thread, similar in scope to this one: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Here is the argument against allowing gay marriage to be recognized by law. Feel free to argue against the truth of the premises or the validity of the logic.

    Premise 1: No kind of marriage license should be recognized by the law
    ------Sub argument for Premise 1------
    -SubPremise 1: The law should not recognize privileges that are not available to everyone.
    -SubPremise 2: Any kind of marriage license is legal recognition of privileges that are only available to married individuals.
    -SubPremise 3: Not everyone is a married individual

    -.'. No kind of marriage licenses should be recognized by the law

    Premise 2: Gay marriage licenses are a kind of marriage license

    .'. Gay marriage licenses should not be recognized by the law.

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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    I am inclined to agree with idea that the government should get out of the marriage business entirely and purely offer civil contracts for cohabitation and other domestic arrangements. However, the first step to that would be dismantling the current marriage institution. As long as marriage does exist, it must be consistent and allow homosexual couples.
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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I am inclined to agree with idea that the government should get out of the marriage business entirely and purely offer civil contracts for cohabitation and other domestic arrangements. However, the first step to that would be dismantling the current marriage institution. As long as marriage does exist, it must be consistent and allow homosexual couples.
    Agree, the gay marriage debate isn't about deconstructing the institution of marriage. It's about marriage equality, and if someone has a problem with the institution of marriage, they should be attacking the institution as a whole, not trying to stop gay marriage.

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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Marriage is a vital social institution that the government should act to uphold and protect. The legal benefits of marriage are a part of that, and obviously should not be extended to people who are not participating in marriage.

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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage is a vital social institution that the government should act to uphold and protect. The legal benefits of marriage are a part of that, and obviously should not be extended to people who are not participating in marriage.
    Vital how? In what way does society benefit from giving benefits to married folk that are not available to single folk?

    Even if it does, why should society as a whole be allowed to benefit itself at the expense of the individual? Just because it can? Is this a "might makes right" thing?
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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Marriage contributes to social stability and provides the most stable domestic environment for raising children. Families are the foundation of society and marriage is the glue that holds them together.

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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Vital how? In what way does society benefit from giving benefits to married folk that are not available to single folk?

    Even if it does, why should society as a whole be allowed to benefit itself at the expense of the individual? Just because it can? Is this a "might makes right" thing?
    Everything that Kori said is correct... and more. Research shows that folks who are married are more healthy both physically and emotionally, do better at the rearing of children than non-marrieds, create more stability in the areas in which they live, leading to greater wealth and prosperity, etc... all things that benefit society and the country as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Everything that Kori said is correct... and more. Research shows that folks who are married are more healthy both physically and emotionally, do better at the rearing of children than non-marrieds, create more stability in the areas in which they live, leading to greater wealth and prosperity, etc... all things that benefit society and the country as a whole.
    I agree with this, which makes me puzzled as to why people would want to deny the ability to marry to gays. It would be for the betterment of society.

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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I agree with this, which makes me puzzled as to why people would want to deny the ability to marry to gays. It would be for the betterment of society.
    This is consistently my argument for gay marriage, highlighted by the fact that children benefit the most. Panache has made the argument against marraige lots of times before. It's a good argument, and the only one that I find to be logical against gay marriage. However, just because it has logic, doesn't mean it cannot be defeated through superior logic.
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    Re: Logical argument against Gay Marriage

    Marriage contributes to social stability and provides the most stable domestic environment for raising children. Families are the foundation of society and marriage is the glue that holds them together.
    I don't value stability. Its boring. It reeks of stagnation. Stability incentivizes complacency, whereas instability incentivizes change, which is the harbinger of progress.

    Also, there are plenty of people on the planet already, so I see no need to encourage the raising of children. I think families are a poor foundation for society and marriage has so far not done a very good job of holding most of them together at any rate, so I see little benefit to rewarding such behavior.

    More to the point, what right does society have to compel me to finance their values? The fact that they have the firepower necessary to do so?

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