Why I am against the DADT policy.

It's been no secret that, considering the circumstances, I think DADT was good policy, in theory. No one should make it a point to have everyone know if you're straight or gay, and no one should care enough to ask. I saw it as promoting, within the armed forces at least, what I thought sexuality; Outside of people's personal opinions about the matter....it doesn't freaking matter.

Unfortunately, it's abused. Horribly and blatantly abused. Discharging people for who they love outside of uniform? That's not good policy, that's not how the military is supposed to work. Drugs is illegal, and people are discharged for it; however, having sex with someone of the same sex is not illegal in the slightest, so I do not think that the military should treat it like it is.

If it applied only to those on duty; then I have no problem with it, orders are orders and that's how they work, and knowing the military, there's stupider orders in my opinion than simply telling some private not to tell others in his division his sexuality. But off duty? Who the **** cares other than to satisfy some loon that has a grudge against otherwise good people and capable soldiers.

So you're ok with banning homosexual activities while "on the job" in the military, but what about heterosexual activities?

Banning one but not the other would be discriminatory.

Deuce said:

So you're ok with banning homosexual activities while "on the job" in the military.

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Yup.

but what about heterosexual activities?

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There is rarely any people of the opposite sex in close enough together to have an sexual activities while on duty.

Now off duty? that's a different story, and why same-sex people should be given the same liberties.

DarkWizard12 said:

Yup.

There is rarely any people of the opposite sex in close enough together to have an sexual activities while on duty.

Now off duty? that's a different story, and why same-sex people should be given the same liberties.

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You didn't answer the question.

***** DADT works only if dealing with responsible parties in a Good solid Command Structure. Other than that it breaks down & causes problems.

****** Just FYI neing that most here I believe are Non Veterans - the expansion of Females within the Armed Forces over the past 40 years have Pound for Pound created more incidents than Homosexual activities. Godd Men have Gone down over some temptation's and also a good portion of the yearly discgarge's over someone being Gay & being exposed - well some go to individuals siomply looking for a quick ticket out.

Zinc Route said:

***** DADT works only if dealing with responsible parties in a Good solid Command Structure. Other than that it breaks down & causes problems.

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Which is why we should get rid of it and let people of all sexualities serve equally.

Zinc Route said:

****** Just FYI neing that most here I believe are Non Veterans - the expansion of Females within the Armed Forces over the past 40 years have Pound for Pound created more incidents than Homosexual activities. Godd Men have Gone down over some temptation's and also a good portion of the yearly discgarge's over someone being Gay & being exposed - well some go to individuals siomply looking for a quick ticket out.

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So you're saying we should only have women who won't succumb to temptation serve in the military? Is that what you're saying?

samsmart said:

Which is why we should get rid of it and let people of all sexualities serve equally.



So you're saying we should only have women who won't succumb to temptation serve in the military? Is that what you're saying?

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***** No , It's the Men by and large who sometimes do what comes naturally and get in trouble. When you have a lot of Men in certain settings that frequently come from less than desireable backgrounds - then throw in a few Females things do not click too well . No way a full accounting of Embarrasing incidents has ever been detailed by the Military. In 30 + years there have been more Pregnancies, more impromptu Discharges,transfrers, more Coverups, more Fights among the Men than the General Public knows of.

****** When I say some Credible Career Guys have ****canned their Careers by taking chances - it has happened and to some who had unblemished records beforehand BECAUSE they were Tempted. Now you can Argue that they All Knew the new Rules :roll: Well Okay - but still was it worth it to take the possible burden of Military Service of off the Middle and Upper Middle Class Young Males in Our Nation and shift it to Women born in the lower strata's ???

Deuce said:

You didn't answer the question.

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then you can't read.

Zinc Route said:

***** No , It's the Men by and large who sometimes do what comes naturally and get in trouble. When you have a lot of Men in certain settings that frequently come from less than desireable backgrounds - then throw in a few Females things do not click too well . No way a full accounting of Embarrasing incidents has ever been detailed by the Military. In 30 + years there have been more Pregnancies, more impromptu Discharges,transfrers, more Coverups, more Fights among the Men than the General Public knows of.

****** When I say some Credible Career Guys have ****canned their Careers by taking chances - it has happened and to some who had unblemished records beforehand BECAUSE they were Tempted. Now you can Argue that they All Knew the new Rules :roll: Well Okay - but still was it worth it to take the possible burden of Military Service of off the Middle and Upper Middle Class Young Males in Our Nation and shift it to Women born in the lower strata's ???

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This post makes me want a button for disagreement so bad.

Maybe those "credible career guys" should have been able to control themselves. It is possible, thousands of military men control themselves everyday around those tempting military women.

Considering I know the Navy, at least, is still trying to man some jobs, I'd say that those women are very needed and worth it.

And what the heck is your issue with "women born in the lower strata's"? Are you trying to say that women who were born poor or in the south are somehow lower than men? Because this is a pretty sexist and rude comment.

roguenuke said:

This post makes me want a button for disagreement so bad.

Maybe those "credible career guys" should have been able to control themselves. It is possible, thousands of military men control themselves everyday around those tempting military women.

Considering I know the Navy, at least, is still trying to man some jobs, I'd say that those women are very needed and worth it.

And what the heck is your issue with "women born in the lower strata's"? Are you trying to say that women who were born poor or in the south are somehow lower than men? Because this is a pretty sexist and rude comment.

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****** Call it what you like but since the 70's a good portion of this Nation has become totally separated in Mind,body & spirit from their Armed Forces. Many consider those who do serve as Chumps, losers, Wackos etc. I wish it were different.

***** Young Men & Women in close confines is not a Real Good idea because IF it was at times in the past it would have been implemented. We have it now so we can avoid Conscription and to at least try to open certain opportunities to Females. Neither is WHY the Military exists and THIS point has been conveniently forgotten by many.

roguenuke said:

And what the heck is your issue with "women born in the lower strata's"? Are you trying to say that women who were born poor or in the south are somehow lower than men? Because this is a pretty sexist and rude comment.

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not to mention elitist.

Zinc Route said:

****** Call it what you like but since the 70's a good portion of this Nation has become totally separated in Mind,body & spirit from their Armed Forces. Many consider those who do serve as Chumps, losers, Wackos etc. I wish it were different.

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What do you base this opinion on? I've had many people come up to me and my husband, and thank us for our service. Now, there have been times when my husband and I are together and talking to someone, usually an older man, and as the conversation progressed it became obvious that at least one of us was in/had been in the service, and the person would just automatically thank my husband for his service. I will admit that at those times, I feel kinda offended, but I understand that many older people, especially men, have a hard time realizing there are more women in the military now.

Now, there are some people out there who do think the military is made up of "baby-killers" or "losers". But most of those people base those opinions on false beliefs and stereotypes and/or their own personal politics make them ignorant to what good the military does. Of course, there are those like the Phelps who bash the military only so they can get attention for their real cause. These are not the majority, I'm pretty sure.

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***** Young Men & Women in close confines is not a Real Good idea because IF it was at times in the past it would have been implemented. We have it now so we can avoid Conscription and to at least try to open certain opportunities to Females. Neither is WHY the Military exists and THIS point has been conveniently forgotten by many.

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In the past, pretty much prior to the 1960s, women were considered inferior to men, in all ways except maybe housekeeping and taking care of children. So no, they wouldn't have put women together with men in the past just if it was a good idea or not.

And what's wrong with avoiding conscription? With conscription, you have men being told they have to serve their country, whether they want to or not. This is likely to give you a large group of military personnel who don't want to be there and, even if they don't actively try to get themselves in trouble or discharged, they still won't care about whether or not they are doing the best they can for the job (of course, I am talking about those jobs that women do now, which means not front-lines jobs). Now, when you have women in those same jobs, who have volunteered for those jobs, it means someone is doing that job who (in most cases) wants to do that job. Someone who wants to do their job and feels proud of what they're doing is much more likely to do a better job than someone who doesn't want to do it.