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    Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    As you know, the Supreme Court could very easily (and likely will) be charged with making a decision that affects marriage laws in the United States for eternity, thereafter. Therefore, I think we should break the Supreme Court down - one justice at a time - and make reasonable predictions as to their vote.

    John Robert: Nay.
    Roberts is a devout conservative, which is the primary reason that Bush nominated him for Chief Justice. I'm pretty sure we can count on him when we need a little homophobia.

    John Stevens: Yea
    Stevens has consistently been impartial throughout his entire career. The president who nominated, Gerald Ford, even went on public record in 2005 to praise Stevens for disregarding partisan concerns.

    Therefore, we can trust him to see logic and side with Perry on this one.

    Antonin Scalia: Nay
    Scalia is regarded as the "intellectual anchor of the "conservative wing." As such, I would be really surprised if he voted in favor of marriage equality when the time comes.

    Anthony Kennedy: Unknown
    Kennedy tends to be the swing vote. Sometimes he votes liberal, but he tends to vote conservative about 55% of the time. Therefore, while we might can expect him to see reason, I also expect him to require more proof on the liberal side than he would expect from the conservative side. It can be done, but we need to crank out pages upon pages of evidence to do it.

    Clarence Thomas: Nay
    Thomas tends to interpret laws and constitutional provisions according to how he feels the original intention was. I don't think the writers of the 14th Amendment ever expected it to apply to gay marriage (but, then again, I don't think privacy laws were ever meant to legalize abortion, but I don't think Thomas would have voted yea in Row v. Wade, had he been given the opportunity). Sad to say it, but right now, it's homophobes, three, gay advocates, one, with one person unknown.

    Ruth Ginsburg: Yea
    Gay advocates are starting to come back in the second half, now. Ginsburg is a feminist, so she knows, first-hand, what it's like to be discriminated by the government. I am sure we can expect some sympathy from her.

    Steven Breyer: Yea
    Breyer takes a very pragmatic approach to his studies. He believes that a statute should only pass strict scrutiny if it works. We can trust him to understand that, even though reproduction is the official policy for marriage, it is not put into practice outside of gay discrimination. This effectively ties up the whip count vote at 3-3-1.

    Sam Alito: Unknown
    While Alito is still new to the Supreme Court, throughout his history prior to joining SCOTUS, he has demonstrated a conservative approach, yes, but also a Libertarian one, particularly in the realm of religion, and keeping church separate from state. Therefore, if we can justify that there is no real reason for gay marriage being illegal outside of religious fear (have you noticed that about 90% of homophobes are typically religious? Most atheists tend to realize that homophobia is as retarded as racism), we might have a chance. Until then, the whip count vote stands at 3-3-2.

    Sonia Sotomayor: Yea
    While she is brand spanking new to the Supreme Court, she was nominated by Obama, who is, himself, supportive of gay rights. Justices tend to support the same political views of the President who elected them.

    So, the case of Perry v. Arnold (I can't spell his damned last name) is a swing vote. 4 are likely to vote in favor of marriage equality, 3 are likely to vote in favor of homophobia, and two are likely to vote either way. So far, it looks like marriage equality could triumph, but it's not a foregone conclusion, yet.

    Thoughts? Questions? Comments?

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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    I agree, more or less, but I think Scalia is actually more of a wild card than you'd think. He's definitely conservative overall, but he's also.... well, weird.

    He's shown a couple times to come up with really bizarre reasoning for things. I expect he'll vote against gay marriage, but with that guy, I just don't know for sure.

    "In an oddball dissenting opinion, Scalia writes that ALL marriage should be illegal..."
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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    That's fine, because I just read that Tony Kennedy, while majority conservative, is liberal on gay rights. In fact, he even wrote the majority opinion on Lawrence v. Texas.

    So, I change my whip count to 5-3-1, in favor of marriage equality! YAY!

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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Also,

    "In an oddball dissenting opinion, Scalia writes that ALL marriage should be illegal..."
    How is THAT an "oddball" decision?

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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by middleagedgamer View Post
    Also,


    How is THAT an "oddball" decision?
    ...you don't think a SCOTUS judge voting for banning of all marriages of any kind would be a little strange?
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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ...you don't think a SCOTUS judge voting for banning of all marriages of any kind would be a little strange?
    What does marriage even DO that is secular in nature?

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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by middleagedgamer View Post
    What does marriage even DO that is secular in nature?
    Besides the myriad legal benefits?
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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Besides the myriad legal benefits?
    At taxpayers' expense.

    However, I will give you one thing: Ruling that marriage is illegal rather than pointless, would be a bit odd.

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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by middleagedgamer View Post
    At taxpayers' expense.

    However, I will give you one thing: Ruling that marriage is illegal rather than pointless, would be a bit odd.
    How about things like automatic medical power of attorney or child custody on death of a spouse, etc.
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    Re: Supreme Court whip count on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about things like automatic medical power of attorney
    They can write a power of attorney, themselves. Contracts, in general, do not have to be on file with the government for them to be instantly enforceable; in fact, 90% of the time, courts are completely ignorant of a contract's existence until a breach of said contract is disputed in their court. Only highly-publicized contract signings tend to be publicly-known before they are breached, like that.

    or child custody on death of a spouse, etc.
    Can't the other biological parent take the kid?

    Also, if a widowed woman has a boyfriend, couldn't the court look for "a person who is very emotionally close to the children's last parent?"

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