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Old 02-14-09, 09:43 PM   #1111
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Re: For Those Opposing Gay Marriage: Answer This One Question: How Does It Affect You

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Sure they are. And this is the difference between being partisan, and presenting partisanship in your argument. Those who do the latter hate being called on it, because it often takes the teeth out of their position.
But I don't care about being called on it. I admitted to it. I simply disagreed with you, who incidently are my opponent in a heated discussion, that my partisanship is bad for my arguments.


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Overgeneralization about what liberals do. No proof or evidence...just partisan opinion.
They are well known for it. But evidence abounds on this site. Look at half of Hateuy's posts if you don't believe me.

Here is an interesting article on it.

Hot Air Blog Archive Krauthammer: Racism “last refuge of the liberal scoundrel”

I have no doubt it is not all liberals and probably not you but a certain section of liberal have become known for it, with or without justification.

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No proof of "force"...just partisan opinion.
Yes that is a opinion born out by this thread where it is implied, yes I certainly do no shy away from reading between the lines, that not having gay marriage is a grevious sin that needs remedying as soon as possible. But actually I did already give evidence for this, I talked of the EUroplot parliament.
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Re: For Those Opposing Gay Marriage: Answer This One Question: How Does It Affect You

walleye here are the two questions you skipped:

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How about we banned Christians (like yourself) from marrying all together? What would you say if I said "hey, you guys can still marry...as long as you give up your religion...and I can not get married if I chose to be a Christian either...thus, equal rights!"
What would you say?
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Wow, AND SPIRITUALLY?

How did they measure spiritual health, please enlighten us! I've never heard of this
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In our Judeo-Christian society, morality is defined by the Bible, which clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination.
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Old 02-14-09, 09:43 PM   #1113
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No, not like that. That is a civil rights issue. Marriage is not a civil rights issue.
Interracial marriage wasn't a civil rights issue?
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Re: For Those Opposing Gay Marriage: Answer This One Question: How Does It Affect You

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How does this apply to your comment here:



I was wondering what proof there was that straights are healthier than gays, spiritually.
Alcoholism and drug addiction are spiritual diseases in the opinion of many people. I am one of those who hold that view.

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No one took away the right of gays to marry. They never had it.
You've done two things here:

1) You contradicted yourself by first saying 'gays have all rights' and now say 'they never had the right to begin with

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2) So what? Who cares if they never had it? Women never had the right to vote before that was granted either
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I'm looking forward to our discussions.
Good. You will NEVER see me go after conservatives in a partisan way except to call them on their partisanship to expose their hypocrisy/weakness in debate. You should know by now that I do not accept weak debating and go after it like a shark after prey.
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Everyone has the equal opportunity to achieve high office.
No they don't. If you have an IQ of 60 you don't have an equal opportunity to one who has one of 150. What you mean is there is no legal impedement. There is for gays to marry, as there is for thieves to steal DVDs, you are trying to prove why the former should not be but talking about equality in the vague, generalised way you do does not help much.

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All people aren't equal, but belonging to a certain group shouldn't be an automatic disqualifier. The opportunity should be equal.
Group is a vague term.
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No they don't. If you have an IQ of 60 you don't have an equal opportunity to one who has one of 150. What you mean is there is no legal impedement.
What are you talking about?

Of course they both have the equal opportunity to achieve high office, just one has a better opportunity to do so because of his intellect...how in the world does that mean the opportunity to achieve it isnt equal?

The men ARE equal, their strengths are NOT
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People choose to be robbers. People don't choose to be black or their gender (for all intents and purposes of this discussion).
So? You have to construct an actual argument out of this.

I support gay marriage with caution. I just object to these vague and dangerous appeals to some generalised equality.
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