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All men are complicit in oppression of women.

SCitizen said:
This article is a food for thought. It represents views more and more acceptable in society -- that all men are guilty of oppression of women. This is not an extremist TERF site -- it is a respectable source.



Another fact:



Never thought I was complicit, but I am open to new ideas:



And here is an interesting example:
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Oh good grief, now I know why I do not visit this section often, way too weird.
 
SCitizen said:
This article is a food for thought. It represents views more and more acceptable in society -- that all men are guilty of oppression of women. This is not an extremist TERF site -- it is a respectable source.



Another fact:



Never thought I was complicit, but I am open to new ideas:



And here is an interesting example:
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I think it's rather telling that the best the authors can seem to muster in favor of men here is to say that there are men around whom they feel only "mostly safe and unthreatened."

Gee lady. Tell us how ya really feel, huh? :roll:

In any case, the article reads like little more than a random assortment of emotionally charged buzzwords - "Violence!," "The Patriarchy!," "Men!," and etca, etca - mixed and matched in various different forms like some kind of super paranoid man-hating version of mad libs. It also (in a move which surprised absolutely no one who's actually familiar with this kind of nonsense) parrots the self-evidently false Left Wing idea that all gender behavior must be "learned," rather than in any sense biologically innate, and that women are "oppressed" in a wide variety of ways which are rather dubious, according to the actual facts, to say the least.

Just the usual crap. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
My feelings on this thread, and anyone who would defend the crap in the OP.


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope, it doesn't. It's unavoidable, even in those of us who are activists, and requires no intent. Here, let me show you...

You and a woman both apply for the same job, for which there are two slots. You have equally good resumes. You're equally good interviewers. We'll assume you're the same race, similar educations, socioeconomically similar, etc. Only difference is your sex. You have no idea a woman is applying, so you obviously can't intend to be sexist against her, can you.

You're both hired. But the boss decides to pay her a third less than he pays you.

Or, if the boss doesn't think she's pretty enough, he just doesn't hire her at all.

You may not be the one making the call, but you are complicit, because you are living the benefit of your sex. You're participating in a system that we all know is stacked a certain way.

What do you do about that? Well, in the moment, what could you? Nothing you can do, since it's happening even when you don't know it's happening. And hey, you need to eat too. It's not like it's reasonable to expect you to just decide not to make a living. It's not really up to you if your employer is quietly sexist and that gives you an edge you didn't know you had.

What you can do is, in the grander scheme of things, participate in things that dismantle the culture that inherently values men more than women.

And yes, an example of that would be not letting **** slide when you find out that your buddy thinks raping women is funny.
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Even if one were to assume that any of that were happening on a regular basis (it's not - in point of fact, going off of the statistics, one could easily make the argument that young women are actually 'privileged' over young men these days; having a substantially easier time both under the highly female-centric educational system currently in place, and in finding decent paying employment afterwards in a market largely dominated by service sector jobs which tend to reward even tempers, not 'making waves,' and emotional intelligence over more typically 'masculine' qualities), the approach taken by the OP would still be problematic.

A) If you're looking to persuade a group to your cause, spastically squawking about "VIOLENCE!" and "THE PATRIARCHY!" in sweeping, accusatory, generalizations clearly trying to shame men as a whole as being "oppressors" and villains regardless of their personal actions, and regardless of their personal beliefs (not to mention regardless of how personally disempowered any particular member of that group happens to be in their personal lives), probably isn't the way to do it. You're only going to evoke defensiveness and indignation.

B) What, exactly, are you expecting us "average joes" to do about it? We're back to the same basic problem I mentioned in my own thread a few weeks back. Why are you berating powerless men over something they have no realistic ability to actually change? What are you expecting us to do that you haven't already?

We can agree with you that women deserve equal pay all day long. It ultimately doesn't change anything in the real world.
 
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SCitizen said:
This article is a food for thought. It represents views more and more acceptable in society -- that all men are guilty of oppression of women. This is not an extremist TERF site -- it is a respectable source.



Another fact:



Never thought I was complicit, but I am open to new ideas:



And here is an interesting example:
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That's sexist, bruv.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nope, it doesn't. It's unavoidable, even in those of us who are activists, and requires no intent. Here, let me show you...

You and a woman both apply for the same job, for which there are two slots. You have equally good resumes. You're equally good interviewers. We'll assume you're the same race, similar educations, socioeconomically similar, etc. Only difference is your sex. You have no idea a woman is applying, so you obviously can't intend to be sexist against her, can you.

You're both hired. But the boss decides to pay her a third less than he pays you.

Or, if the boss doesn't think she's pretty enough, he just doesn't hire her at all.

You may not be the one making the call, but you are complicit, because you are living the benefit of your sex. You're participating in a system that we all know is stacked a certain way.

What do you do about that? Well, in the moment, what could you? Nothing you can do, since it's happening even when you don't know it's happening. And hey, you need to eat too. It's not like it's reasonable to expect you to just decide not to make a living. It's not really up to you if your employer is quietly sexist and that gives you an edge you didn't know you had.

What you can do is, in the grander scheme of things, participate in things that dismantle the culture that inherently values men more than women.

And yes, an example of that would be not letting **** slide when you find out that your buddy thinks raping women is funny.
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You're whole claim here is based on an impossibility. Something that simply does not exist in reality. No two people are completely the same in everything. There are ALWAYS differences in far more than just their gender.
 
Kal'Stang said:


You're whole claim here is based on an impossibility. Something that simply does not exist in reality. No two people are completely the same in everything. There are ALWAYS differences in far more than just their gender.
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If women with the exact same skills and talents could be hired for 70 cents on the dollar that men get, men would be unemployed.
 
A bigoted message of hate, pushed by attention seeking minority groups who thrive on the attention.
The unfortunate thing is that they preach against it, by doing exactly what they preach to hate...and somehow people don't get that.

I do agree that this sort of nonsense that leaked into mainstream liberal minds, helped push the election towards Trump.
People have good reason to reject and want to stamp out this nutty SJW nonsense. It enrages them up there with the economy and jobs...do it at your own peril.
 
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