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Is anyone else just kind of sick and tired of seeing crap like this?

Tanngrisnir said:
Wow. I can see from this post (and many others you've already offered in this thread) that you have practically no sexual experience with women.

And that's OK.
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Sooo... Anything besides baseless personal attacks to offer?

Laughably incorrect and completely comic book.
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Pff. Okay. If you say so, bud. :roll:

There's a reason why some people do really, REALLY well in fields like sales, and most people don't. In case you haven't noticed, trying to convince some chick you just met - in some loud sweaty bar or club no less - to sit on your penis tends to be just a tad more difficult of a "sell" in this regard than hawking cheap crap in retail.

One would think such things were common sense, buuuttt... Yeah. It ain't so "common," apparently. :roll:

Real men
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Yeah... Ya know what? I'm just going to stop reading here.

Your posts are a complete waste of my time. :lol:

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Nice double post, by the way. :lamo
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Taking a woman from "Who's this dude I just met?" to "Let's go to bed with this guy instead of the two hundred other guys in this room" with any degree of reliability requires a certain level of persuasive skill. That requires an innate understanding of, and ability to control, things like space, the flow of conversation, and non-verbal communication.
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Why do you think it is about persuasion ?

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Which is why I said it was a bit more complicated than that to begin with.

Frankly, when you get right down to it, just about anyone can be an "Alpha" given the right circumstances and the right attitude (Hell! It's been scientifically demonstrated that just the simple fact of being in charge of something tends to increase a person's level of testosterone, as do 'commanding' body postures). Some are just more naturally suited to the role than others.

i.e. The "Captain of the Football Team" type, who's got brains, brawn, and charm in equal measure. The kind people tend to gravitate towards, who'd probably have been a damn tribal chief, or "warlord," or something, back in the day.
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Fair enough.
 
Brewdog said:
Lol at all the butthurt beta girly men in here mad about never getting laid.
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It's actually kind of ironic, given the subject matter. They're basically thumping their chests at me, shouting like a bunch of monkeys about how bad I must be with women for disagreeing with them.

In other words, they're making really, REALLY inept "e-Alpha displays" of dominance, in the act of trying to claim that "Alpha" isn't even a thing. :lol:
 
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Absentglare said:
Why do you think it is about persuasion ?
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Again, you people are kidding me here. Right?

Gathomas88 said:
There's a reason why some people do really, REALLY well in fields like sales, and most people don't. In case you haven't noticed, trying to convince some chick you just met - in some loud sweaty bar or club no less - to sit on your penis tends to be just a tad more difficult of a "sell" in this regard than hawking cheap crap in retail.

One would think such things were common sense, buuuttt... Yeah. It ain't so "common," apparently. :roll:
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Gathomas88 said:
It's actually kind of ironic, given the subject matter.

They're basically thumping their chests at me, shouting like a bunch of monkeys about how bad I must be with women for disagreeing with them. They're making really, REALLY inept "Alpha displays" of dominance, in the act of trying to claim that "Alpha" isn't even a thing. :lol:
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Their mistake is a common one. They listen to what liberal college girls SAY they want, instead of seeing who they go home with.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Sooo... Anything besides baseless personal attacks to offer?
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That wasn't a personal attack. That you thought it was is most telling.
Pff. Okay. If you say so, bud. :roll:
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Yup. I say so. And any male with experience here thinks that as well.
There's a reason why some people do really, REALLY well in fields like sales, and most people don't. In case you haven't noticed, trying to convince some chick you just met - in some loud sweaty bar or club no less - to sit on your penis tends to be just a tad more difficult of a "sell" in this regard than hawking cheap crap in retail.

One would think such things were common sense, buuuttt... Yeah. It ain't so "common," apparently. :roll:
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Odd that you'd try and project your penis issues on this exchange. But not really unexpected.
Yeah... Ya know what? I'm just going to stop reading here.

Your posts are a complete waste of my time. :lol:

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Nice double post, by the way. :lamo
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Of course you'll stop it right there.

I totally nailed it in describing you. You fear women and have zero experience with tme except this weird, left field hatred you have of them.

Trust me, man, they're really great, and once you get to know them and get over your pathological avoidance issues about them, you might really come to like them.

What's got you so troubled about women? How can I help you overcome the paralysis they cause in you and the social dysfunction that cripples you?

I know you can overcome your beta nature and try and give it an honest try!
 
Tanngrisnir said:
snip really obvious flame baiting
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I'm sorry. What part of "cool story bro," did you not understand?

Lol

For the record, you people realize that pre or post-facing blatantly obvious flaming and personal attacks with lame, half-assed declarations that you are "Totally not making personal attacks, you guys! Totally! Really!" doesn't actually fool anyone, right? It just makes you look exceptionally passive aggressive.

I mean... Yeesh. Did all you guys arrive together on a bus, or something? :roll:

In any case, I'm going to bed. Good night.
 
Gathomas88 said:
I'm sorry. What part of "cool story bro," did you not understand?

Lol
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It's OK that you're using a macho faux perona as a coping mechanism. I understand that you're frightened.
For the record, you people realize that pre or post-facing blatantly obvious flaming and personal attacks with lame, half-assed declarations that you are "Totally not making personal attacks, you guys! Totally! Really!" doesn't actually fool anyone, right? It just makes you look exceptionally passive aggressive.
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Again, it's OK that you're scared. How can I help you overcome your fear of women?
I mean... Yeesh. Did all you guys arrive together on a bus, or something? :roll:

In any case, I'm going to bed. Good night.
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Sad thing is, you're going to bed alone, as you've done your entire life.

I think you should open up to considering women as potential partners.

They're really not all that scary.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's OK that you're using a macho faux perona as a coping mechanism. I understand that you're frightened.

Again, it's OK that you're scared. How can I help you overcome your fear of women?

Sad thing is, you're going to bed alone, as you've done your entire life.

I think you should open up to considering women as potential partners.

They're really not all that scary.
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Yeeeaaahhh... I'm going to go ahead and let the mods know about this one. Just so you know.

A word of advice: the above is getting to be "off the chain," even by showboating DP troublemaker standards.

Night. :2wave:
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Again, you people are kidding me here. Right?

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Why do you think it's about salesmanship and manipulation, rather than honesty and passion ??

I feel like you're working from the assumption that women are less intelligent- that they are easily manipulated. I don't think this is a good assumption.
 
Absentglare said:
Why do you think it's about salesmanship and manipulation, rather than honesty and passion ??
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Just about literally every guy I've ever known who's worked in Sales has made the statement at some point, "If you can pick up a girl in a bar, you can sell a blank."

Frankly, the better question here is just how exactly you're supposed to have honest "passion" for some girl you just met. Who's "manipulating" who exactly here, dude?

Sounds like a lot of self-deluded and naive romanticism for its own sake if you ask me.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Pointing out the various reasons why an idiotic overblown hypocritical counter-productive fad is genuinely idiotic, overblown, hypocritical, and counter-productive is not "whining."
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If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
 
Nilly said:
'I'm definitely right and everyone else is wrong'

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Everyone else, or just a few older women, and a handful of self-styled "feminist men?" :roll:

It's not like either group is particularly well known for their grasp on this particular subject matter. The former A) aren't really accustomed to the culture in question here, and B) are somewhat notorious for their convenient "amnesia" regarding the actual behavior and motivations of young women. The latter are well known for their slavish devotion to the deluded, and often blatantly counter-factual, fanciful utopianism so endemic to the rest of that particular ideological movement.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Women being sexually assaulted/harrassed.
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Having some guy make a pass at a woman isn't automatically "sexual harassment" just because she's not into him. As far as "assault" goes, that's already illegal.

There is literally nothing listed in that article that is either "my problem" to fix, or even really capable of being fixed in the first place. Hell! It's kind of debatable whether a lot of it even really is a "problem" to begin with.

Quite honestly, if the worst thing to ever happen to that girl was a couple of men being vaguely creepy and/or rude, she should consider herself lucky.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Having some guy make a pass at a woman isn't automatically "sexual harassment" just because she's not into him. As far as "assault" goes, that's already illegal.

There is literally nothing listed in that article that is either "my problem" to fix, or even really capable of being fixed in the first place. Hell! It's kind of debatable whether a lot of it even really is a problem to begin with.

Quite honestly, if the worst thing to ever happen to that girl was a couple of men being vaguely creepy and/or rude, she should consider herself lucky.
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So women are lucky if they aren't forcibly raped?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Are you? :shrug:

Silly answer for a silly assed question.
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You typed this:

Quite honestly, if the worst thing to ever happen to that girl was a couple of men being vaguely creepy and/or rude, she should consider herself lucky.
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What did you mean?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Everyone else, or just a few older women, and a handful of self-styled "feminist men?" :roll:

It's not like either group is particularly well known for their grasp on this particular subject matter. The former A) aren't really accustomed to the culture in question here, and B) are somewhat notorious for their convenient "amnesia" regarding the actual behavior and motivations of young women. The latter are well known for their slavish devotion to the deluded, and often blatantly counter-factual, fanciful utopianism so endemic to the rest of that particular ideological movement.
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Yep, the views of people ranging from 20 year old guys to older women are far too homogenous. But of course you, in your infinite wisdom, have it alllllllll right.

Keep em coming Gath. You're really cracking me up today.
 
Thorgasm said:
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What did you mean?
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Exactly what I said.

If, out of all the terrible things that can theoretically happen to a person - male or female - the worst you can name is "a guy got kind of agitated with me at a bar once, but didn't do anything," you really don't have anything to complain about. File it away under "people are dicks" and move on your freaking life.

I mean... Yeesh. Talk about being a "delicate flower." :roll:

Do you have any idea what kind of hazing I, and basically every other military service member in history, has had to go through at various points in their career?

Brewdog over there was made to do naked push-ups with fifty other guys in a giant puddle of industrial grade ammonia when he went through Basic with the Marines. I was locked inside a wall locker and had flaming cotton balls dipped in nail polish remover rained down on me, and was forced to eat various tobacco products or drink water until I vomited on numerous occasions in military school, in addition to more generalized constant verbal and psychological abuse, like being told that I "look(ed) like an aborted fetus" every damn day.

If you want to talk about "toxic cultures" that might need some changing, look into that kind of thing.

You'll simply have to excuse me if I fail to get too bent out of shape over some prissy Lefty schoolgirl's stories concerning how "this one guy hit on me once, and he was kinda/sorta creepy." :roll:
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Exactly what I said.

If, out of all the terrible things that can theoretically happen to a person - male or female - the worst you can name is "a guy got kind of agitated with me at a bar once, but didn't do anything," you really don't have anything to complain about. File it away under "people are dicks" and move on your freaking life.

I mean... Yeesh. Talk about being a "delicate flower." :roll:

Do you have any idea what kind of hazing I, and basically every other military service member in history, has had to go through at various points in their career?

Brewdog over there was made to do naked push-ups with fifty other guys in a giant puddle of industrial grade ammonia when he went through Basic with the Marines. I was locked inside a wall locker and had flaming cotton balls dipped in nail polish remover rained down on me, and was forced to eat Copenhagen dip or drink water until I vomited on numerous occasions in military school, in addition to more generalized constant verbal and psychological abuse, like being told that I "look(ed) like an aborted fetus" every damn day.

If you want to talk about "toxic cultures" that might need some changing, look into that kind of thing.

You'll simply have to excuse me if I fail to get too bent out of shape over some prissy Lefty schoolgirl's stories concerning how "this one guy hit on me once, and he was kinda/sorta creepy." :roll:
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Hazing isn't an ongoing thing. You volunteered for these groups. Women don't volunteer to be harrassed.
 
Thorgasm said:
Hazing isn't an ongoing thing.
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It's an institutionalized thing, in many cases, and a dangerous one at that.

You volunteered for these groups. Women don't volunteer to be harrassed.
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And I continue to say, "grow a thicker skin."

Nothing happened to this girl which even necessarily constitutes "harassment" to begin with.
 
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