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LGBT, Not Born That Way?

roguenuke said:
Most men would say neither unless they were either single or in a relationship with one of them.
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Yeah, sure they would. :roll:

Actually, at 50-plus, they'd probably want the one who makes the best sandwiches.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So it's about looking? Just print a picture off and look at that. Or look at younger women. Why would you have sex wroth them if you think they aren't any good at it?
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Best sex is thirty five and up. But, hood ornaments are better for the ego.
 
Ontologuy said:
Sorry, but I guess I'm just behind a bit in this specific area of scanning.

It used to be that only postmortem examination could detect the always-present physiological differences between gay and straight brains.
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That is interesting considering the study that the Washington post butchered said they used MRI scans to determine that there may possibly be a link between brain size and sexual orientation.

It looks like, at least for the past eight years or so, MRI and PET scans have been accurately proving my point: Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights
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If you look at the science verses some editorials you would see nothing is proven. This is what they linked to.
http://m.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403.abstract
As I said before, however, to be more precise these scans need to be done on very young children and then track them to see how their sexuality develops. But there are ethical concerns with exposing young children to these scans. Even MRIs, which don't use radiation, use powerful magnetics that could be disruptive for the brains of children under four years of age (when the brain is still forming). Unless there is suspicion of disease for which a curative approach is mandated, studies won't be subjecting kids to scans, even with parental "permission", as it violates the ethics of the profession itself.
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What would be the point?
 
calamity said:
And those women are probably head cases. Obviously, a woman willing to be with a man 30 years her senior is going to be a high maintenance nightmare.
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You do realize you are citing reasons you wouldn't leave your wife for a younger woman. You're arguing against your point and supporting mine.

So far we have, men will leave their wives if they could for a younger woman but they are bad at sex and nut jobs. So why would you?

She's either on drugs and needs a sugar daddy, a gold digger waiting for you to die, or someone with such severe daddy issues that she's probably one nervous breakdown away from suicide or being committed. Who in their right mind wants to **** their grandpa?
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Lol, reasons why men don't leave their old wives

That's why most 53 year old men know better than to leave their wives for a twenty-something, even if they may fantasize about it.
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You know there is more to it than just how they look. Thanks for proving my point.
 
calamity said:
I know. And, that's where we begin to differ. And, those differences start out subtle at first but end up as wide as the Grand Canyon further down the road.
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The difference is I can support my position. You cannot.

Does the surgery relieve someone's dysphoria? Sure. I can't disagree with that. Does it solve their core problem and make them normal? Absolutely not.
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Incorrect. It certainly resolves their core problem. And there is no "normal".
 
calamity said:
Basing medical results on self-reporting is bull****. May as well claim prayer cures cancer, if that's where your goal post stands.
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As usual, this shows you don't understand research methods, something that you have consistently demonstrated for months, if not years, here. Self-reporting is a completely valid and credible way to gather data on anything concerning mood. In fact, it is probably the best method as no one can determine one's mood better than the individual themselves. You don't know what you are talking about, and only have a problem with this because it destroys your position. Too bad.
 
calamity said:
Your opinion on SRS re: children, though good, does not influence my opinion on it. In fact I was the first to bring them up in our discussions, probably back when snow was still flying in the air around here.
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calamity, I've brought up my anti-SRS position on children LONG before you were ever a blip on the bandwidth here at DP. It's been my position for many years.
 
roguenuke said:
That definitely depends on how shallow your ego dwells.


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Is that a result of nurture or nature?
 
calamity said:
A man is not a woman no matter how often you insist he is. That claim is pure bull****. Some men believe they are women and vice versa. That is accurate. Why they believe it is unknown. That too is accurate.
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Incorrect. Some men or women perceive themselves as the opposite gender because of a body/brain inconsistency.

The reason I oppose SRS for children is because we do not know what is going on. Also, children sometimes grow out of things, GDD is one of those things.
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From what I've seen, if a child "grows out of GDD" then GDD was the incorrect diagnosis.
 
calamity said:
And those women are probably head cases. Obviously, a woman willing to be with a man 30 years her senior is going to be a high maintenance nightmare. She's either on drugs and needs a sugar daddy, a gold digger waiting for you to die, or someone with such severe daddy issues that she's probably one nervous breakdown away from suicide or being committed. Who in their right mind wants to **** their grandpa?

That's why most 53 year old men know better than to leave their wives for a twenty-something, even if they may fantasize about it.
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So basically what I'm getting from this is that most men only get with their spouses because of their looks, and if they could, they'd drop them in a split second to get with some model.
 
calamity said:
Core problem: they believe they are the opposite sex from which they were born. This needs to be explained?
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Incorrect. This is not the core problem. The core problem is the distress they feel BECAUSE of the brain/body inconsistency.

Normal: Fit in with society, not feel ostracized, suicidal or depressed enough to take drugs or drink too much.
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Incorrect. Normal is more of a statistical statement. Any other comment on "normal" is subjective.
 
calamity said:
I would like to see some long term studies (several actually), peer reviewed and published in journals that are accessible on line which take a control group and compares it to SRS. There is a dearth of information like that. I think the most I've seen so far is some Swedish study with a handful of SRS who supposedly showed a decrease in suicidal thoughts. Hardly anything I would call concrete.
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You have been told, more times than I can count, that comparing post-SRS transsexuals to non-transsexuals is an absurd an invalid comparison. The comparison that is appropriate is to compare pre-SRS to post-SRS transsexuals. I have already posted studies demonstrating the improvements, the satisfaction rates, and the reduction in symptoms. I'm not posting them, again just to address your "convenient" short term memory problems.
 
TheGoverness said:
So basically what I'm getting from this is that most men only get with their spouses because of their looks, and if they could, they'd drop them in a split second to get with some model.
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No. What you are getting from this is that CALAMITY only got with his spouse because of her looks and if he could, without consequences, he'd drop her in a split second to get with some model.
 
TheGoverness said:
So basically what I'm getting from this is that most men only get with their spouses because of their looks, and if they could, they'd drop them in a split second to get with some model.
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Well, they certainly do not approach the most ugly woman they can find and ask her out. Men will try landing the best specimen they can find. And yes, if they could, they'd ditch the post menopausal for the fertile. It's a breeding thing.

Evolution is a bitch.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You have been told, more times than I can count, that comparing post-SRS transsexuals to non-transsexuals is an absurd an invalid comparison. The comparison that is appropriate is to compare pre-SRS to post-SRS transsexuals. I have already posted studies demonstrating the improvements, the satisfaction rates, and the reduction in symptoms. I'm not posting them, again just to address your "convenient" short term memory problems.
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I was referring to pre versus post op trans. You posted one such study from Sweden or someplace like that. And, that study is not even referenced to in the countless articles discussing this issue. So, it's either new or not peer reviewed and thus not very credible. Whatever the case, there certainly is not enough proof out there showing that SRS improves objective criteria.

If anything, I would suspect that mutilation and lifelong dependency on expensive hormone treatments makes people's lives worse than would just learning to adapt to their biological sex.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No. What you are getting from this is that CALAMITY only got with his spouse because of her looks and if he could, without consequences, he'd drop her in a split second to get with some model.
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Not just some model. A long-legged, blonde, 5'8 or so, 120 lbs, with tits out to here.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
calamity, I've brought up my anti-SRS position on children LONG before you were ever a blip on the bandwidth here at DP. It's been my position for many years.
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So? That has nothing to do with me bringing it up as my stated position. Parents should not be allowed to permanently alter the sex of their children. That is a decision adults can only make for themselves.
 
calamity said:
Not just some model. A long-legged, blonde, 5'8 or so, 120 lbs, with tits out to here.
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What consequences are their? Some people will judge you? Just do it if you really want to. People are going to judge you.

How great would life be if you didn't care what other people thought of you?
 
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