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Gay Republicans; feeling the love?

Well, there is a small teeny tiny something here to work with. What does the word "voluntary" mean to you?

LMAO nice try,so you are continuing to run and make your posts further fail.
YOU have to answer the question first that you have been dodging

you said:
Nope. There is no right to another's property or labor. Business should be voluntary transactions.
the question was asked who said there is a right to anothers property and labor?
The fact was pointed out business is already voluntarily.

so now you can answer the question or you cant? :)
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LMAO nice try,so you are continuing to run and make your posts further fail.
YOU have to answer the question first that you have been dodging

you said:

the question was asked who said there is a right to anothers property and labor?
The fact was pointed out business is already voluntarily.

so now you can answer the question or you cant? :)
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Yes, I can. You're just too scared to actually have a reasonable conversation. I'm sorry I even tried. Time to go back to your method.

BOOM! Dodge....you keep lying. I answered your question and you say I haven't LMAO! Why are you lying?! :lamo

BOOM! Rofl, lol. Destruction! You fail! Dodge and lie again!

:lamo
 
Yes, I can. You're just too scared to actually have a reasonable conversation. I'm sorry I even tried. Time to go back to your method.

Translation: you STILL wont answer my question and your posts get destroyed again

. . oh look and you tried to make it about ME again :2rofll:
you say Im scared and wont have a reasonable conversation but yet you have factually been dodging my question post after post and everybody sees it? yeah that makes sense :lamo
your post fails and facts win again

when you are ready we are still waiting, you said:
Nope. There is no right to another's property or labor. Business should be voluntary transactions.

SO in your next post please tell us who here said they have a right to another's property and labor? thanks!
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Translation: you STILL wont answer my question and your posts get destroyed again

. . oh look and you tried to make it about ME again :2rofll:
you say Im scared and wont have a reasonable conversation but yet you have factually been dodging my question post after post and everybody sees it? yeah that makes sense :lamo
your post fails and facts win again

when you are ready we are still waiting, you said:

SO in your next post please tell us who here said they have a right to another's property and labor? thanks!
:popcorn2:

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BOOM! Dodge....you keep lying. I answered your question and you say I haven't LMAO! Why are you lying?! :lamo

BOOM! Rofl, lol. Destruction! You fail! Dodge and lie again!

:lamo
 

Thats right keep running!!!!
I love when people cant support their claims, they get caught posting a lie and their posts get completely owned

SO in your next post please tell us who here said they have a right to another's property and labor? thanks!

anybody wanna go double or nothign my request is ran from again?
 
Huh...you mean you believe the SCOTUS always makes the right decision? Interesting. If we could trust them to always get it right then we should never have to worry which party makes appointments and we wouldn't be fighting each other. We wouldn't see opinions routinely split "down party lines".

Again, please tell me what enumerated powers means and how that relates to the 10th Amendment.

Just because, say, Thomas and RBG disagree doesn't actually/necessarily mean one of them is "wrong." They often (really by definition or design) decide cases for which an objectively true or correct answer doesn't exist, or for which an answer depends on how they interpret intentionally vague words or terms in the statute or the Constitution. Yeah, you have a right to "keep and bear arms" but what is an 'arm'? SAM, RPG, fully auto rifle? And at all times, anywhere, without restrictions? If not, then what restrictions are reasonable? Etc.....

So in those cases which include most of the hot button issues, they're politicians in black robes, and politicians have different ideologies and will come to different answers on questions that ultimately revolve around their preferences instead of black and white law. So we'll always worry about which party makes appointments, because to "get it right" means 'you agree with the decision' not that it's objectively correct. You've already demonstrated that much. Your version of 'rights' is what you say they are, not how the courts with actual experts in Constitutional law presiding have for decades delineated them.

You and Cp keep saying there are no positive rights but that's not true (e.g. if you're poor you have a right to taxpayer funded counsel). And the states and the feds can (there is no question about this) regulate commerce, including prohibiting discrimination in certain circumstances.
 
This is probably the worst week in recent memory to be gay and a member of the GOP. Not only did Trump pick antigay Governor Pence, who dragged his own state's name through the mud just to advance a blatant anti gay law, as his VP but the GOP passed one of the most anti gay platforms in modern history! It even supported conversion therapy which has been outright rejected by the medical community and is opposed by a super majority of Americans! Apparently protection of children from discredited and unpopular quack medicine is now encroachment of big bad government. :roll:

I have a theory that gay Republicans are really just masochists who get off on being denied even the tiniest amount of respect or recognition by their political affiliates.

I'm pretty certain that soon enough, gay Republicans will be Feeling the Johnson.
 
Just because, say, Thomas and RBG disagree doesn't actually/necessarily mean one of them is "wrong." They often (really by definition or design) decide cases for which an objectively true or correct answer doesn't exist, or for which an answer depends on how they interpret intentionally vague words or terms in the statute or the Constitution. Yeah, you have a right to "keep and bear arms" but what is an 'arm'? SAM, RPG, fully auto rifle? And at all times, anywhere, without restrictions? If not, then what restrictions are reasonable? Etc.....

So in those cases which include most of the hot button issues, they're politicians in black robes, and politicians have different ideologies and will come to different answers on questions that ultimately revolve around their preferences instead of black and white law. So we'll always worry about which party makes appointments, because to "get it right" means 'you agree with the decision' not that it's objectively correct. You've already demonstrated that much. Your version of 'rights' is what you say they are, not how the courts with actual experts in Constitutional law presiding have for decades delineated them.

You and Cp keep saying there are no positive rights but that's not true (e.g. if you're poor you have a right to taxpayer funded counsel). And the states and the feds can (there is no question about this) regulate commerce, including prohibiting discrimination in certain circumstances.

I reject the the premise that there is not a certain amount of objectivity that can be followed with regard the interpreting the Constitution. Even some of what you say supports what I say in regards to people ruling not on the Constitution, and the intent of the founders, but on their ideology.

In many cases the judiciary are not taking a case, researching the matter via the letter of the Constitution and intent of the founders, and then coming to a final decision with all that in context. What they do is take a case, already have a decision in mind based on ideology, and then research how they can force words to match up with what they want.

The commerce clause is a good example of that. We have amendments that would have been wholly unneeded if the commerce clause was meant to give the federal government the power to regulate anything and everything where commerce happens. There would not have been a need to pass an amendment to ban alcohol nor and amendment to end slavery.

Also, that interpretation of the commerce clause invalidates one of the main constructs of the Constitution, which is the enumerated powers. If you look at what enumerated powers are, and then match that up with the 10th Amendment, there is no reasonable or logical way to stretch both the commerce clause and welfare clause to mean what they are being used for. It's the shakiest of grounds to grant that much power based off of a few words that are addendums to sentences. There would be more there than a handful of words.
 
I reject the the premise that there is not a certain amount of objectivity that can be followed with regard the interpreting the Constitution. Even some of what you say supports what I say in regards to people ruling not on the Constitution, and the intent of the founders, but on their ideology.

It wasn't my premise that there isn't a certain amount of objectivity in deciding cases. My point was that in many cases there is no clear "right" or "wrong" answer, and that's obviously true IMO. When the law is unclear, how is it possible to find THE correct interpretation of a vague statute? It's not. When the issue is resolving competing rights, who can say with certainty that THIS restriction on a right is appropriate, but this one over here is clearly and demonstrably excessive? No one. It's like determining the optimal tax rate - that answer depends on where you place your priorities and priorities are almost never 'right' or 'wrong' - just different.

In many cases the judiciary are not taking a case, researching the matter via the letter of the Constitution and intent of the founders, and then coming to a final decision with all that in context. What they do is take a case, already have a decision in mind based on ideology, and then research how they can force words to match up with what they want.

Hard to respond to generalities. But how do we know the "intent of the Founders" with any certainty, and what about the MANY issues on which "the founders" vehemently disagreed, starting virtually day 1 of this new republic? And how do we apply the intent of the founders to issues totally unknown to the founders in a different era in every way possible to the world they lived in centuries ago?
The commerce clause is a good example of that. We have amendments that would have been wholly unneeded if the commerce clause was meant to give the federal government the power to regulate anything and everything where commerce happens. There would not have been a need to pass an amendment to ban alcohol nor and amendment to end slavery.

I don't actually think that's a fair representation of the commerce clause and how it's been interpreted. Furthermore, let's say it was the Congress through the commerce clause that outlawed slavery. It's one election, then one vote of the Congress and POTUS signature or override from being again legal. Same with prohibition.

Also, that interpretation of the commerce clause invalidates one of the main constructs of the Constitution, which is the enumerated powers. If you look at what enumerated powers are, and then match that up with the 10th Amendment, there is no reasonable or logical way to stretch both the commerce clause and welfare clause to mean what they are being used for. It's the shakiest of grounds to grant that much power based off of a few words that are addendums to sentences. There would be more there than a handful of words.

The short answer is that is your opinion contradicted by many decades of decisions by the SC. And unless you are a constitutional law expert, all debating this issue more than that is two ignoramuses (I'm not an expert) debating the fine points of an area way, way outside our areas of expertise. (Sort of like the debates on the climate forum.... )

Furthermore, even if the current position of the courts on the commerce clause is eventually reversed, that still doesn't prove in any way that the courts have gotten it all "wrong" all these years. The provision is inherently vague, and interpreting what some of the founders (probably not all) had in their mind when it was drafted and approved, in a different era, with different sets of facts, in a different world in nearly every possible way is not conducive to definitive right or wrong answers. Finally, there ARE remedies to federal overreach other than the SC, and that is Congress can repeal or change those laws at any time, and it's certainly not clear that the Founders intended for the SC to be the primary vehicle for resolving what are ultimately political disputes.
 
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I'm pretty certain that soon enough, gay Republicans will be Feeling the Johnson.

I can't imagine why anyone that was gay would be a Republican. Its like being a black segregationist. Why would someone be in a club where the majority of the members think you are an abomination.
 
I can't imagine why anyone that was gay would be a Republican. Its like being a black segregationist. Why would someone be in a club where the majority of the members think you are an abomination.

Its more like being a black republican not a black segregationist, dont ya think?
 
I can't imagine why anyone that was gay would be a Republican. Its like being a black segregationist. Why would someone be in a club where the majority of the members think you are an abomination.

I can't imagine why anybody that is gay would be a Democrat either. For the same reasons. That's why I'm a libertarian.
 
I can't imagine why anybody that is gay would be a Democrat either. For the same reasons. That's why I'm a libertarian.

Well frankly, you are a fool then. Every single legal advancement gays and lesbians have gained in the United States were done by Democrats while Republicans fought it.
 
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I can't imagine why anybody that is gay would be a Democrat either. For the same reasons. That's why I'm a libertarian.

I get that there are good reasons for a person leaning libertarian to criticize the Democratic party, but support for gay rights in the past couple of decades at least just is not one of them. That comment makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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