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If a transgender person has a penis are they a woman?

Renae said:
1.) That you are ignorant of the subject and harbor angry biases? I do understand that. My question is why are you this way?

2.) My wife had a hysterectomy, her vagina is now a "dead end pouch." Does that make her "less of a woman" to you?

3.) Should we call ourselves "Notgirls and notwomans" to make you feel better?
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1.) I have a suspicion that you can tell I'm not ignorant about this subject, so it's probably not the best strategy for you to pretend that I am. But whatever works for you, I suppose.

2.) If a man loses his testicles due to cancer or an accident, does that make him a woman all of a sudden? If a woman loses her ovaries, does she suddenly switch sexes and become a man by default? If someone has a leg amputated does he lose membership in that group of mammals called bi-pedal humans? No, no and no.

Conversely, if I could have plastic ball-shaped objects attached to my nether regions (hey, they can do it with dogs!!) would you refer to them as "testicles?" No, of course not. If a man can have a opening surgically constructed which he will have to manually dilate for the rest of his life to keep his body from closing it off as it would any other large wound, would you call that hole a "vagina?" I don't know about you, but I would not. And that is not being "ignorant," as you put it; it is just recognizing reality. Of course, YMMV.

3,) If by "we" you are saying you are transgender, then you are "transgender." As a member of the female sex, I have a word that has always applied to me, "woman." What's the argument here?
 
Jane said:
1.) I have a suspicion that you can tell I'm not ignorant about this subject, so it's probably not the best strategy for you to pretend that I am. But whatever works for you, I suppose.

2.) If a man loses his testicles due to cancer or an accident, does that make him a woman all of a sudden? If a woman loses her ovaries, does she suddenly switch sexes and become a man by default? If someone has a leg amputated does he lose membership in that group of mammals called bi-pedal humans? No, no and no.

Conversely, if I could have plastic ball-shaped objects attached to my nether regions (hey, they can do it with dogs!!) would you refer to them as "testicles?" No, of course not. If a man can have a opening surgically constructed which he will have to manually dilate for the rest of his life to keep his body from closing it off as it would any other large wound, would you call that hole a "vagina?" I don't know about you, but I would not. And that is not being "ignorant," as you put it; it is just recognizing reality. Of course, YMMV.

3,) If by "we" you are saying you are transgender, then you are "transgender." As a member of the female sex, I have a word that has always applied to me, "woman." What's the argument here?
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I am a transgendered woman. I go by her, she and girl
 
calamity said:
So, then why is it necessary to use the bathrooms made for the opposite sex?
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Restrooms aren't really made for either sex. They are designated, which is a social thing. Most people share private restrooms with members of the opposite sex with little issue because a toilet works just fine to accommodate make and female plumbing and most things in between.


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roguenuke said:
Restrooms aren't really made for either sex. They are designated, which is a social thing. Most people share private restrooms with members of the opposite sex with little issue because a toilet works just fine to accommodate make and female plumbing and most things in between.


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Oh for Christ's sake...
 
Jane said:
...If by "we" you are saying you are transgender, then you are "transgender." As a member of the female sex, I have a word that has always applied to me, "woman." What's the argument here?
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My first priority is 'human being' your choice of priority says much about you.
 
Jane said:
1.) I have a suspicion that you can tell I'm not ignorant about this subject, so it's probably not the best strategy for you to pretend that I am. But whatever works for you, I suppose...
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Your choice of language and the way that you confuse sexuality and gender issues tells me that no one should have a suspicion of the sort you describe here.

I have come across many dogged people that are determined to assert that their prejudice is rational: Social Justice Warriors aren't just a left leaning phenomenon.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I have never met a person upon introducing themselves reveals their genitalia. Nor do I check.
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You haven't? What a sheltered life you have had to lead. Mine has been more interesting, I guess. That might explain some of your opinions. ;)
 
TaterTots said:
I've noticed a lot of transgendered people with penises consider themselves women. Does this not go against the definition and biology? Would you consider a transgendered person with a penis a woman if they indentify as one? I could write up a paragraph, but the question would remain the same.
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Is it the penis that makes the difference between male and female? I would have thought it would be the chromosomes and their impact on bodily development.
 
joG said:
Is it the penis that makes the difference between male and female? I would have thought it would be the chromosomes and their impact on bodily development.
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Chromosomes don't always dictate what body you will have. There are types of intersex where a person winds up with the body opposite their chromosomes (i.e. XX with a naturally male body, and XY with a naturally female body -- sometimes so convincingly that no one notices for years). Of course, there are other cases where the body is ambiguous.

This is the thing. Sex is a lot more complicated than most people seem to realize. It is not simply chromosomes, or simply genitalia. It isn't simply anything, really, and even amongst "typical" individuals, there is a vast range of what is considered "normal."

Sex is a multi-factorial trait, just like pretty much all other traits we have. And just like any other trait, there are instances where one of those factors is in conflict with or developed opposite of the others.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Chromosomes don't always dictate what body you will have. There are types of intersex where a person winds up with the body opposite their chromosomes (i.e. XX with a naturally male body, and XY with a naturally female body -- sometimes so convincingly that no one notices for years). Of course, there are other cases where the body is ambiguous.

This is the thing. Sex is a lot more complicated than most people seem to realize. It is not simply chromosomes, or simply genitalia. It isn't simply anything, really, and even amongst "typical" individuals, there is a vast range of what is considered "normal."

Sex is a multi-factorial trait, just like pretty much all other traits we have. And just like any other trait, there are instances where one of those factors is in conflict with or developed opposite of the others.
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I guess a hermaphrodite night be able to. Do you know of an incident of a chromosomal male to have carried out a child normally?
 
joG said:
I guess a hermaphrodite night be able to. Do you know of an incident of a chromosomal male to have carried out a child normally?
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Sort of. Women with AIS (i.e. genetically XY) don't have ovaries, although they do have a vagina. They also almost never have a uterus. But there was a case of a woman with AIS who was born with a very small uterus. They were able to grow it with hormonal therapy, and using donor ova, she did go on to carry and naturally give birth to twins.
Woman who was genetically a man gives birth to TWINS after doctors GREW her a womb - Mirror Online

Just as an FYI, "hermaphrodites" (i.e., with both sets of genitals) don't exist in the human species. Some have mixed gonadal tissue (containing both ovarian and testicular tissue), but not dual genitals. Also, this is considered a slur by many intersex people.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Sort of. Women with AIS (i.e. genetically XY) don't have ovaries, although they do have a vagina. They also almost never have a uterus. But there was a case of a woman with AIS who was born with a very small uterus. They were able to grow it with hormonal therapy, and using donor ova, she did go on to carry and naturally give birth to twins.
Woman who was genetically a man gives birth to TWINS after doctors GREW her a womb - Mirror Online

Just as an FYI, "hermaphrodites" (i.e., with both sets of genitals) don't exist in the human species. Some have mixed gonadal tissue (containing both ovarian and testicular tissue), but not dual genitals. Also, this is considered a slur by many intersex people.
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Thx.
I guess I would have been referring to a pseudohermaphrodites as medical language has shifted towards calling hermaphrodites intersexual. Luckily, this is not my problem.
 
William Rea said:
Your choice of language and the way that you confuse sexuality and gender issues tells me that no one should have a suspicion of the sort you describe here.

I have come across many dogged people that are determined to assert that their prejudice is rational
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How do I confuse sexuality and gender? How am I prejudiced, do you think? Just making statements as you do above doesn't advance the conversation and makes me think you're either not interested or not able to do so. Please prove me wrong, William. Thanks!

Social Justice Warriors aren't just a left leaning phenomenon.
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Agreed!
 
Renae said:
Calling us "Tranny" is rather demeaning. Also, you can't "easily" tell ****.

The pretend fantasy is your belief that Biology is the final arbiter of someone's gender.
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lol You're being unnecessarily sensitive. Estrogen is likely the culprit. And yes, it is usually obvious when a man tries to "be" a woman. All the hormones He can take will not erase that square chin of his completely. However, the men who are naturally more effeminate can make a more believable transformation.

There are no significant advantages to estrogen. It adds fat in place of muscle. It often causes irrationality. Testosterone, however, adds muscle and stamina. It makes one more focused and less irrational.
 
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