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If a transgender person has a penis are they a woman?

CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry. That does not justify assault. Your disagreement to that is irrelevant.



Incorrect. There you go again. It has nothing to do with either. It has to do with their dishonesty in a relationship.
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You don't get to tell me what justifies assault. It is my opinion that being tricked into sex with someone that is a man is grounds to beat their ass and I see nothing you said that displaces that belief.
 
calamity said:
There are very few conditions which justify assaulting someone. Self defense would be at the top of the list, a few others might fly in a jury trial and result in an acquittal--assaulting someone who sexually molested your child, for example. There is no justification for assaulting someone who "tricked" you into thinking they were a woman or man. There may be grounds to sue them though.
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So you would be completely calm if found out you were tricked into sex with a man? Hmmm..
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. The individual has no duty to date or not date anyone. All they have a duty to do is inform and then let the other decide if they are interested or not.
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Straight men are interested in women and it is beyond absurd for anyone to even think they should have to deal with men appearing as women trying to date them.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. An MTF who is NOT gay can attempt to date anyone they want. It is not YOUR place to make these kinds of determinations for anyone else. You have NO say in those kinds of things. It IS the responsibility of the MTF to inform the man that they are an MTF, then allowing that person to make an informed decision.

I hope this correction in both your logic and in your understanding of how pertinent your opinion is to anyone else, is noted.
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Enabling someone to be scumbag will almost assuredly lead to some of them being scumbags. Telling these people you enabled to not even approach is not only safer for them, but avoids straight men having to deal with them.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Ah, Henrin providing us with more examples of his ignorance on this topic. Firstly, Renae's comment was referring to one's intent to be disrespectful to another. You have already CLEARLY indicated on many occasions that you will intentionally be disrepectful to a transsexual... and yes, your using DNA to justify your disrepect doesn't alter the fact that it IS disrespect. Of course, you are quite OK with being disrespectful because of your inflexible agenda, so other than pointing it out, there is no purpose really discussing it with you. Secondly, the 'hormonal imbalance" is intentionally caused to TREAT the GDD caused by the biological inconsistency that is created by transsexuality. This is a complete different issue than what happens in the scenario you presented, rendering, as usual, your point irrelevant.
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That said a whole bunch of nothing. His point was that treating them as women was correct when in reality it is no more valid than treating any other man with severe hormonal imbalance as women. It's biologically wrong, so there is no reason for anyone to respect his demand of them. I consider it disrespectful to me for anyone to demand I address them wrong.

And I'm doing more than just fall back on DNA to justify my position. I'm debunking his argument that developing female features is good enough to be addressed as a woman. Hormones directly interact with the genetic code of the individual to do things like develop the breasts of the person. You can't claim you're a woman because hormones used the genetic code of a man.
 
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Henrin said:
You don't get to tell me what justifies assault. It is my opinion that being tricked into sex with someone that is a man is grounds to beat their ass and I see nothing you said that displaces that belief.
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Then in most legal systems you have already committed assault.
 
Henrin said:
So you would be completely calm if found out you were tricked into sex with a man? Hmmm..
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I would chalk it up to experience and move on.
 
William Rea said:
Then in most legal systems you have already committed assault.
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They are free to disagree. :shrug: Why do you think existing law will just somehow sway my opinion?
 
William Rea said:
Why would I? I don't get why you would take it so personally? Explain it to me.
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Why would I not take it extremely personally is the better question.
 
Henrin said:
Why would I not take it extremely personally is the better question.
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I don't know. I can't answer that for you, all I'm trying to do is understand why you would?
 
William Rea said:
I don't know. I can't answer that for you, all I'm trying to do is understand why you would?
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Tell me why I shouldn't take it extremely personally.
 
William Rea said:
It's cool. I am not a mind reader so I'll just leave it.
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It would help me to explain my position if I knew why you believe I shouldn't take it personally.
 
Henrin said:
So you would be completely calm if found out you were tricked into sex with a man? Hmmm..
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Calm? No. I'd probably sue the SOB. But, I have too much to lose to risk physically assaulting him. Last thing I need is a felony on my record. Besides, I'm not that worried about it.

I think the real issue is the full out assault on lesbian rights, where guys with dicks who swear they are chicks are invading their spaces. These guys insist that they should be accepted as lesbians or the term lesbian, itself, should be done away with. And that is just plain nuts...not to mention totally disrespectful toward the rights of lesbians.
 
calamity said:
I'd say that having a penis precludes someone from being a woman. But, I am apparently stuck in the 20th century. :lol:
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Damn you and your dinosaur thinking!

Of course I'm apparently stuck in the Carboniferous period with my thinking, so don't feel bad.
 
Henrin said:
You don't get to tell me what justifies assault. It is my opinion that being tricked into sex with someone that is a man is grounds to beat their ass and I see nothing you said that displaces that belief.
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I would not be surprised to find a jury acquitting the assailant who was tricked into a homosexual act by a man pretending to be female. If the judge lets in all the evidence, that is.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. An MTF who is NOT gay can attempt to date anyone they want. It is not YOUR place to make these kinds of determinations for anyone else. You have NO say in those kinds of things. It IS the responsibility of the MTF to inform the man that they are an MTF, then allowing that person to make an informed decision.

I hope this correction in both your logic and in your understanding of how pertinent your opinion is to anyone else, is noted.
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You have the strangest definition for what are or are not homosexual acts I have ever seen. Bar none.

If a guy with a dick has sex with another guy with a dick, it's a homosexual act. It matters not one iota what the hell "gender" each person identifies as. It's not relevant. It's a homosexual act, by freaking definition.
 
calamity said:
I would not be surprised to find a jury acquitting the assailant who was tricked into a homosexual act by a man pretending to be female. If the judge lets in all the evidence, that is.
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I wouldn't convict unless they were beat to death. If it was a well deserved beating the judge can just forget about me convicting.
 
Henrin said:
I wouldn't convict unless they were beat to death. If it was a well deserved beating the judge can just forget about me convicting.
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Odds are the judge would not allow the sex trickery into evidence. Gay agenda will see to it.
 
calamity said:
There are very few conditions which justify assaulting someone. Self defense would be at the top of the list, a few others might fly in a jury trial and result in an acquittal--assaulting someone who sexually molested your child, for example. There is no justification for assaulting someone who "tricked" you into thinking they were a woman or man. There may be grounds to sue them though.
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I wasn't justifying it...just stating how it is.
 
Moot said:
I wasn't justifying it...just stating how it is.
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I just took it there because there is always a legal issue to contend with.
 
Henrin said:
Not telling has lead to some very serious assaults and even murders. If they feel the person won't accept them the best course of action is for them to not involve themselves with the individual. Failing to inform and then tricking the guy into sex is a great way to get seriously hurt.
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You have a point, but I cannot even being to imagine the fear and the sheer horror it must be to live in a society which is so transphobic, as indeed, all societies are. I don't judge, since I've never walked in their shoes.
 
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