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Study Suggests Pre-Marital Abstinence Reduces Divorce

cpwill said:
Actually, if you'll bother to read the math linked in the OP, it was a minority, but it was a larger minority.

I, for example, have only ever slept with my wife, and that's precisely what I intend to teach my children. :)
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And my mother only ever slept with my father, and they've been divorced for over a decade now after 20 years of marriage.


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Right. It's not clearly implied by focusing almost solely on what women do.
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The women were who was studied. :shrug: I agree, it would be interesting to see the figures for men, and also for couples.

So I guess you have no response to the rest of it.
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Well, you started off with an unhinged rant based on a strawman accusation of sexism. So, yeah, I kinda ignored what you had to say other than to point that out.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: I don't claim it's a study.



What part of "not causal but likely correlative due to common cause" in the OP skipped past you there?



In a few places that's certainly likely. Generally, however, I would argue that self-focus and self-absorption is what has escalated divorce. Divorce isn't about making yourself happy - it's about serving the other individual.



Yeah, and that's worked out awesome. A generation of children raised in broken homes and endless social science showing the negative effects.



:shrug: this is false. Every relationship (speaking loosely) has periods where they are unhappy.



Unless the person is abusive (to themselves or others, with a variety of possible expressions), there isn't a "wrong person" to get married to.



And good marriages, and salvageable marriages :(



The math indicates otherwise.
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What percentage of divorces occur after kids are born compared to before having children? If the couple gets divorced prior to having children or after the children are grown and out of the house, then there's no negative impact on children.


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roguenuke said:
What percentage of divorces occur after kids are born compared to before having children?
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Hm. You know, that's the kind of thing that I should know, but don't.

Huffpo article claims that 66% of couples who get divorced are childless, while 40% have children. I'm not a math surgeon, but something seems off in those numbers....

If the couple gets divorced prior to having children or after the children are grown and out of the house, then there's no negative impact on children.
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True.

With, I would note, the indirect effect that divorcees are more likely to divorce as well in future relationships where they may have children.
 
cpwill said:
Hm. You know, that's the kind of thing that I should know, but don't.

Huffpo article claims that 66% of couples who get divorced are childless, while 40% have children. I'm not a math surgeon, but something seems off in those numbers....



True.

With, I would note, the indirect effect that divorcees are more likely to divorce as well in future relationships where they may have children.
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Depends on the people. We don't really know how likely a person is to divorce while raising their children or what their reasons are for divorcing. As others have pointed out, it's all about individuals and their situations.


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roguenuke said:
Depends on the people. We don't really know how likely a person is to divorce while raising their children or what their reasons are for divorcing. As others have pointed out, it's all about individuals and their situations.
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:) No, Social Science is possible and real. People only tend to retreat to the "it's all about individuals" when repeated testing comes back with results that they instinctively don't like.
 
cpwill said:
I wish they'd focused on both - the data would be better if we could break it down, and also show what happens in couples when one partner has multiple partners and the other doesn't, or what happens when both don't, etc.
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I think its difficult to make a correlation without including both main variables. In addition I think a fair amount of women stayed in abusive or poor relationships back in the "good old days" because that was the culture. I don't necessarily think that was a good thing. David Brooks writes extensively on this type of subject. Ideally there would be much less divorce or abortion or a lot of other things. As the right likes to say Freedom isn't free, another type of cost besides war.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I think its difficult to make a correlation without including both main variables. In addition I think a fair amount of women stayed in abusive or poor relationships back in the "good old days" because that was the culture. I don't necessarily think that was a good thing. David Brooks writes extensively on this type of subject. Ideally there would be much less divorce or abortion or a lot of other things. As the right likes to say Freedom isn't free, another type of cost besides war.
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Well if the culture includes women being dependent upon their spouses for financial support then yes I guess you could say it was because of the culture.
 
Winchester said:
Well if the culture includes women being dependent upon their spouses for financial support then yes I guess you could say it was because of the culture.
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Not just that but it sure was a major part. Not a good thing in my opinion and today women can aspire to anything they wish. Which of course is a good thing. My daughter started playing soccer at 5. She will be playing for a lower D1 college in 2017 with a partial scholarship. That sure as hell wouldn't have happened in 1960.
 
cpwill said:
I think, especially as we move forward across the decades looked at here, this is most likely not causal, but correlated because both are caused by actual adherence to a moral code that encourages not sleeping around prior to marriage and discourages divorce. In the 1970s, you're going to see some more effects of social pressure/expectation.
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I hope you were a virgin before marrying
 
Medusa said:
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I hope you were a virgin before marrying
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I'm happy to say that I managed to avoid / dodge sleeping around in college, etc, yes. The only woman I've ever slept with is my wife. That's not really fully to my credit, and I wouldn't claim moral superiority over that fact, but I'm glad of it.

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cpwill said:
I'm happy to say that I managed to avoid / dodge sleeping around in college, etc, yes. The only woman I've ever slept with is my wife. That's not really fully to my credit, and I wouldn't claim moral superiority over that fact, but I'm glad of it.

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But you needed to start such a thread :confused:
 
Medusa said:
But you needed to start such a thread :confused:
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... Wha? I didn't need to start any thread. I ran across this but if research and thought it likely and interesting for the rain listed in the OP.

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