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I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms.

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What exactly does the child need to understand? Quite frankly there are things I don't understand, that I'll never understand and trans folks are one of them.

So what is necessary for them to understand?


Wow, didn't realize the idea that "that woman is really a man" was equal string theory.

Let me turn this back to how would you explain transgender to a 2 or 3 year old child, if they pointed and said who's that?

We actually have a transgender male who now believes they are a woman in our community. What I find interesting is the person went through life as a male. Then at age 64 , he decided he was really a woman. He is now 65. While she (he) dresses as a woman, wears a wig, etc, has stated no sex change surgery is in the future. Much like Bruce Jenner

Guess it depends on your age on how well transgenders are accepted. I can understand a young person identifying as the another sex. It is more difficult to understand when someone goes through most of their life and then decides.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

The stupidity is the Liberals choosing this as their cause de jour.

The stupidity is in conservatives choosing to make laws around it.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well I've yet to see evidence that Transgendered people suffer (are attacked, insulted, abused, traumatized) when being expected to use bathrooms that coordinate with their GENITALS.

Women that dress masculine or mannish use the women's restroom ALL THE TIME and no one cares. I don't care, they don't care, my kids don't care. Why? Because they have vaginas like all the other gendered females do (I simply assume, anyway). They have the necessary things in that bathroom to suit their physical gender needs. Thus, they belong there.

But now some (a sliver of a minority - a tiny number) of them want to use a restroom based on FEELINGS? Since when did using a bathroom have anything to do with how you feel about yourself? It's to piss and **** in, nothing else. It's not a social club or a gender clique you're joining.

So now bathrooms are all about how we FEEL about ourselves - not how we USE the bathroom and what we need while in there?

So this is rewriting what bathrooms are for - ?? Which makes no ****ing sense to me and is completely and utterly ridiculous. There was no problem before.

For the life of me - I have no idea why someone who has a vagina would want to use a bathroom designed for people with penises. I have no idea why someone with a penis would want to use a bathroom designed for people with vaginas.

Well, except for when the vagina bathroom has a REALLY LONG WAITING LINE and the penis bathroom is empty... then I totally get why a vagina would walk into a penis bathroom.

Since it's (now) about 'feelings' - and not actually just using the bathroom... it makes me wonder just what someone who does want to use the opposite gender's bathroom GETS OUT OF IT.

It WAS just fine before and now it's about something other than how you take a whiz or a dump - which brings into question their mental state - and whether they're just a pervert. [and I don't give a **** who pretends to be offended by my view. Get your dick out of my vagina restroom and I'll keep my vagina out of your dick restroom. If a bathroom is an emotional touchy-feeling thing for you then maybe you need to see a shrink about your bathroom anxiety issues - let me change my maxi pad in peace]

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So - if someone wants to win me over, they have a lot of work to do. Explain to me why bathrooms are about feelings, now, instead of a private place to take care of business away from members of the opposite gender.

In order to win you over, I'd have to see evidence that you actually understand this issue AT ALL. I have posted a TON on the psychology and biology of this issue and how it's not about "feelings"... at least in the condescending way you put it. You can look up some of my posts, if you like... many are within the past couple of weeks. Or you could actually ask question rather than commenting on something that you, from what you said above, know nothing about. If you want to remain that way, then "trying to win you over" is really not worth my time.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I could care less what bathroom a transgender uses when dealing with only adults. I am more concerned for the kids and it is not about safety.
Some may be young enough and not be ready for the sex talk and may see something they are not ready to understand.

Wonder if a "transgender' ever thinks of the impact on young kids?

Are you another one who is under the false impression that a transsexual would walk into a bathroom, announce that she's a transsexual and "whip it out" in front of everyone? Do you realize just how ridiculous that sounds? That is NOT how a transsexual behaves. They don't want anyone to know that they are trans. No kid is going to see ANYTHING.
 
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No, but you would be trying to explain to a young child why that person is in their bathroom. (example" daughter in woman's bathroom seeing a transgender (male).

Some child may be young enough not to be able to understand.

They WILL NOT NOTICE. A transsexual is desperate to present as their identified gender. They are not going to draw attention to themselves.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Liberals are the ones wetting their pants about it.

Actually, it's conservatives crying and whining over it. They're the one's who passed the idiotic law.
 
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And in less time, the Libbos went in the offensive.

Good. So you admit that it was idiotic conservatives who fired the first stupid shot.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Just think if people advocated proper treatment of patients. Just think if doctors didn't create this problem? I wonder what we would be talking about if doctors weren't doing this nonsense.

Since that's not what's happening, as has been proven to you over and over, your post, as usual on this topic, is completely irrelevant.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Some people have that concern. I don't know if you have kids, but often it's difficult to explain things to them.

Is just tell them what I know and if they ask something I don't know I'd tell them I don't know.

Of course, and I understand that concern. However, when people's "concerns" turn into "X group of people should be kept as a permanent underclass because it compromises my ability to parent the way I want," I have serious issues with that.
 
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Let me turn this back to how would you explain transgender to a 2 or 3 year old child, if they pointed and said who's that?[/QUOT]Why would you need too? If you know the transgender person, tell them who they are, if you don't know say you don't know. I adopted my boy at eleven so I don't have much knowledge of kids that young.

We actually have a transgender male who now believes they are a woman in our community. What I find interesting is the person went through life as a male. Then at age 64 , he decided he was really a woman. He is now 65. While she (he) dresses as a woman, wears a wig, etc, has stated no sex change surgery is in the future. Much like Bruce Jenner
I have known cross dressers but only ever was introduced to trans folks. I don't know any. However one of the cross dressers I know is a happily married heterosexual man with two daughters and a son. He's dad to them no matter what.

Guess it depends on your age on how well transgenders are accepted. I can understand a young person identifying as the another sex. It is more difficult to understand when someone goes through most of their life and then decides.
I don't know. Acceptance is a strange way to think about it. Unless it's my child or parent I have nothing to accept.

I have a friend from high school that married a very handsome man that shortly decided he was a woman. I admire her for staying with him until she started cheating on her, but I don't know if I could. I just don't know how this happens. But if it was a person I knew and loved if still love them.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Of course, and I understand that concern. However, when people's "concerns" turn into "X group of people should be kept as a permanent underclass because it compromises my ability to parent the way I want," I have serious issues with that.

Well there is a good point some people make, and it makes me think about this differently.

The question I'm asked is why should women be made to feel uncomfortable in order to make transgender people feel comfortable.

It highlights the catch 22 in this discussion. I don't know how to answer that question, it's a point at which I must concede.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Of course, and I understand that concern. However, when people's "concerns" turn into "X group of people should be kept as a permanent underclass because it compromises my ability to parent the way I want," I have serious issues with that.

has do most common sense people. I have a daughter .. .never has it crossed my mind that certain people should be treated differently, or has lessers or have thier rights violated because <big gasp> my daughter might not understand and ill have to talk to her . . .

nooooooOOOOOOooooOOOOOooooo not that LMAO
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well there is a good point some people make, and it makes me think about this differently.

The question I'm asked is why should women be made to feel uncomfortable in order to make transgender people feel comfortable.

It highlights the catch 22 in this discussion. I don't know how to answer that question, it's a point at which I must concede.


Well thats easy
why do women feel uncomfortable? where does their comfortableness stop, why does it matter and why does it trump others equality or rights

what if a woman being a boss makes me uncomfortable? what if black women make me uncomfortable, what if ugly women make me feel uncomfortable, pretty, tall, fat, skinny, rich, poor etc etc

I dont think its a good point at all because it doesnt matter to equality or in some cases peoples rights.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well thats easy
why do women feel uncomfortable? where does their comfortableness stop, why does it matter and why does it trump others equality or rights

what if a woman being a boss makes me uncomfortable? what if black women make me uncomfortable, what if ugly women make me feel uncomfortable, pretty, tall, fat, skinny, rich, poor etc etc

I dont think its a good point at all because it doesnt matter to equality or in some cases peoples rights.

Sorry but there is no right of anyone to use the bathroom that they feel they should be able to go in.

And really? You're asking why a woman should feel uncomfortable towards a man in a females bathroom? Why a parent should feel uncomfortable with a man going into a females bathroom when your child is in there? Might have to do with the fact that both women and children are raped/molested far more by men than the other way around. And its been that way for thousands of years. I know darn well that if I see a man entering the women's bathroom while my daughter is in there I'm going to be concerned as hell and moving to stop that man. I'm not going to stop and wonder "hey, this might be a transgender!".
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

1.)Sorry but there is no right of anyone to use the bathroom that they feel they should be able to go in.

2.)And really? You're asking why a woman should feel uncomfortable towards a man in a females bathroom?
3.) Why a parent should feel uncomfortable with a man going into a females bathroom when your child is in there?
4.) Might have to do with the fact that both women and children are raped/molested far more by men than the other way around. And its been that way for thousands of years.
5.) I know darn well that if I see a man entering the women's bathroom while my daughter is in there I'm going to be concerned as hell
6.) and moving to stop that man. I'm not going to stop and wonder "hey, this might be a transgender!".

1.) i didnt say there was but when these morons get together and make laws treating them unequally there is a solid argument there just like with other items that have already been decided. This one has not yet in all areas
2.) and yes since we are talking transgender and ANYBODY could be a criminal. . .if its in regards to "uncomfortable" why would i eer care has I have already given examples on many things people are "uncomfortable" wit
3.) again yes, I am a parent and transgenders using the bathroom doesnt concern me at all any more than anybody else. I worry about predators . . not transgenders and my worries certainly dont justify treating transgenders as lessers
4.) again no concern of mine because you are talking about rapist and molesters . . not transgenders . . . .should i take that logic and not want my daughter around male teachers, coaches or priests?? wheres the logic to apply it just to transgenders? Theres not
should I look up REAL stats that actually exist that might show certain gender and religion are more likely to assault or rape and use that information too?

maybe in a certain area white males 18-25 are more likely to be rapist and meth users .. or blacks are more likely to steal based on stats . . should i not hire them based on that?

5.) you are allowed to be concerned all you want, just like you can be concerned if your daughter works at hooters, or dates outside of her race or religion or is homosexual. You can be concerned all you want. But your concern doesnt justify treating transgenders as lessers and or possibly violating their rights.

6.) well you could very easily find yourself breaking the law then if you "stop" anybody and while i understand your feelings make you concerned in general you have no right to generally physically sop anybody. And while using the mental picture of a man for your story is nice emotional argument typically that wont be who we are talking about....just like typically the a christian isnt a abortion bomber, a priest isnt a molester and a Muslim isnt a terrorist. Typically it will be somebody who looks very much like the gender restroom they are going into.

i think many people picture cross dressers or a big barley farm guy in a dress . . .stereotypical extreme images

but reality is many of us have already shared a bathroom with a transgender and didnt even know.

like i said people feelings "uncomfortable" is pretty meaningless because why does it matter and where does it stop? Like i did with my examples why is the transgender uncomfortably the line and not all that other stuff?

also to be clear im not applying any of the general statements to you, just saying.

Like i said, i have a daughter, i work with school districts and youths and transgenders using the bathrooms is of no concern of mine one, because i see no additional threat, two they have already been doing so.....and lastly again even if it bothered my feelings it doesnt justify making laws against transgenders, thats asinine


What is going to happen in out life time is one way or another sexual orientation and gender identification is going to be full protected nation wide and these laws against them are going to help make that a reality just like the laws against gay marriage helped equal rights in that regard.

these people actually make happen what they fear, its hilarious.
 
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Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well thats easy
why do women feel uncomfortable? where does their comfortableness stop, why does it matter and why does it trump others equality or rights

what if a woman being a boss makes me uncomfortable? what if black women make me uncomfortable, what if ugly women make me feel uncomfortable, pretty, tall, fat, skinny, rich, poor etc etc

I dont think its a good point at all because it doesnt matter to equality or in some cases peoples rights.

It's not that easy though. Women feel uncomfortable because they see a trans woman as a man. Their comfort stops when they see a man in the women's restroom. I understand that. We aren't really talking about rights here, we're talking about etiquette. I understand this.

Having a woman or black boss you can easily just quit. A woman can't make a man leave the locker room.

I'm sorry, I am starting to wonder if this is an equality issue. If you ask me a woman and a trans woman are two different things. And treating them differently is appropriate.
 
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So not having a perfect solution is reason to not have ANY solution??? It's a sad argument and one that is BAD for society. Our children's safety is more important than your PC crap. I'd rather make every single TG/TS in this country uncomfortable rather than increase the risk of one child getting molested by the smallest percentage. It's a matter of RESPONSIBILITIES taking preference over rights. Something that is lost on far too many people these days.

If you really think about it it will not reduce the risk. Even in the above hypothetical, the man entered the restroom with no one noticing, else they would not have had to review the tape. The pervert is going to strike at the child regardless of the law, even going into opposite gendered bathrooms to do so. The worse that these laws can do is make it harder for the pervert to be arrested, but the damage is done and the risk factor is still the same. Now the harder arrest angle might be a valid point to make, but that is not the one I ever see made. It has already been shown that such perverts already ignore the law, and/or go after children in the restroom of their gender. For some reason it's all let's protect against opposite gender assailants and ignore same gender assailants.
 
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Note: Shortened some sentences in your quote due to 5k character limit.

1.) i didnt say there was but when these morons get ....
2.) and yes since we are talking transgender and ANYBODY could be a criminal. . .
3.) again yes, I am a parent and transgenders using the bathroom doesnt concern....
4.) again no concern of mine because you are talking about rapist and molesters . . not transgenders . . . .
maybe in a certain area white males 18-25 are more likely to be rapist and meth users .. or blacks are more likely to steal based on stats . . should i not hire them based on that?

5.) you are allowed to be concerned all you want, just like you can be concerned if your daughter works at hooters, or dates outside of her race or religion or is homosexual. You can be concerned all you want. But your concern doesnt justify treating transgenders as lessers and or possibly violating their rights.

6.) well you could very easily find yourself breaking the law then if you "stop" anybody and while i understand your feelings make you concerned in general you have no right to generally physically sop anybody. And while using the mental picture of a man for your story is nice emotional argument typically that wont be who we are talking about....just like typically the a christian isnt a abortion bomber, a priest isnt a molester and a Muslim isnt a terrorist. Typically it will be somebody who looks very much like the gender restroom they are going into.

i think many people picture cross dressers or a big barley farm guy in a dress . . .stereotypical extreme images

but reality is many of us have already shared a bathroom with a transgender and didnt even know.

like i said people feelings "uncomfortable" is pretty meaningless because why does it matter and where does it stop? Like i did with my examples why is the transgender uncomfortably the line and not all that other stuff?

also to be clear im not applying any of the general statements to you, just saying.

Like i said, i have a daughter, i work with school districts and youths and transgenders using the bathrooms is of no concern of mine one, because i see no additional threat, two they have already been doing so.....and lastly again even if it bothered my feelings it doesnt justify making laws against transgenders, thats asinine


What is going to happen in out life time is one way or another sexual orientation and gender identification is going to be full protected nation wide and these laws against them are going to help make that a reality just like the laws against gay marriage helped equal rights in that regard.

these people actually make happen what they fear, its hilarious.

It isn't about transgender's. It's about males going into females bathrooms and females going into males bathrooms. It's about an area that is meant for privacy and is supposed to be a relatively safe area to go to. It's about perverts using transgender protection laws (specifically laws meant to force people into letting people of the opposite sex into bathrooms designed for specific genders) in order to take advantage of satisfying their perverted ways. I could really care less if an actual transgendered person uses the bathroom that they equate with. I do care about perverts using those laws to their advantage. Can you guarantee anyone that perverts won't use these laws to their advantage? No, you can't.

Telling males that they cannot go into a woman's bathroom has absolutely nothing to do with transgenderism. And that is the problem with your argument. You (general "you") are the one making it about transgender's. My problem has nothing to do with transgender's. It has to do with perverts taking advantage of PC laws/feelings. The best way to reduce that risk is to not let males go into females bathrooms and visa versa.

And the statistics I mentioned was meant to answer your question as to why females feel uncomfortable with men in their restrooms. It wasn't meant as an argument against letting/not letting transgenders into bathrooms. Women have legitimate concerns where men are concerned and to laugh at it or dismiss it is imo showing a lack of the same understanding that people are claiming that people like me have on this particular subject.

I have stated before that if a transgender has the sex change operation that they should be allowed to use the bathroom that they identify with. As that is a clear indication that they are not perverts dressed up and acting like a transgender. Before that operation though transgenders need to use the bathroom that they are biologically equipped for. It has everything to do with safety and has nothing to do with transgenders. It could even be argued that its for the safety of the transgendered person as they won't run into a situation where someone mistakes them for a pervert and beats the ever loving crap out of them for going into the same bathroom as their kid.
 
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It is real easy to figure out.

If you have a pecker, you use the little boys room.

A dress and a hand bag doesn't make you a female, no matter how how you try.

Some don't want to limit it to that. Some what to go as far as to say if you have XY you have to use the men's room even if you were born with no pecker, as you put it. An actual condition. And naturally by your statement, a trans who have had the complete surgery can go into the restroom matching their new genitials.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

No, but you would be trying to explain to a young child why that person is in their bathroom. (example" daughter in woman's bathroom seeing a transgender (male).

Some child may be young enough not to be able to understand.

Most children don't care, especially when mommy is taking her boy in with her. And they do so upwards of kindergarten age. So until they are taught otherwise, they don't think much about it.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I'm just an old country boy, what is wrong with the bathrooms working like they always have.
If you got a ding-dong go to the men's restroom, if you got a monkey go to the woman's restroom.
Problem solved
If i see a man going into a woman's restroom that my wife's in, it's not going to workout to good for someone.


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Even if they look like a man but have a vagina? How are you going to tell what's between their legs in order to stop them? Or are you just hypocritical and will go on looks alone?
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Liberals are the ones wetting their pants about it.

Such could be said about conservatives over allowing them in there, especially when they look like the gender of the restroom, regardless of what is between their legs.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I could care less what bathroom a transgender uses when dealing with only adults. I am more concerned for the kids and it is not about safety.
Some may be young enough and not be ready for the sex talk and may see something they are not ready to understand.

Wonder if a "transgender' ever thinks of the impact on young kids?

I'm a cisgendered adult, meaning I am comfortable in the sex I was born with.
I use the bathroom according to this.
I don't want kids or adults looking in on what equipment I use to do my business in the bathroom and parents are irresponsible if they are letting this happen.

Now if you mean a "man" wearing a dress and coming into the men's room then that's as easy as "some people are different and are allowed to be different when they are adults".
I can pretty much guarantee you that this is now a natural part of our world and is probably easier to explain than why mommy and daddy need alone time together. Have fun with that one.

This should be a none issue. Until someone presents solid numbers that transgendered society has more child molesters in it, then the scenario should be ignored.
I mean there's more evidence of molestation by Catholic priests but we still let them use restrooms and people still go to Catholic churches...
Just saying.
 
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Since that's not what's happening, as has been proven to you over and over, your post, as usual on this topic, is completely irrelevant.

Captain, we have been over this hundreds of times and you have yet to show that the treatment logically follows the research. You have also failed completely to show that the treatment is not just harming the patient and enabling the condition.
 
Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well thats easy
why do women feel uncomfortable? where does their comfortableness stop, why does it matter and why does it trump others equality or rights

what if a woman being a boss makes me uncomfortable? what if black women make me uncomfortable, what if ugly women make me feel uncomfortable, pretty, tall, fat, skinny, rich, poor etc etc

I dont think its a good point at all because it doesnt matter to equality or in some cases peoples rights.

What rights? No one has a right to use this bathroom or that bathroom. Equality is another non-starter since they are not actually the sex they are presenting themselves as.
 
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