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Birth rape

Harry Guerrilla said:
You tricked me into visiting Jezebel, home of crazy. :2mad:

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Heh I almost got sucked in too, I never heard of jezebel but the site looked shady. You verified it lol
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's owned by Gawker.
The gutter trash of news sites.

I use the term news very loosely.
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ugh gawker, I almost could wish that Hulk Hogan wins his law suit
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
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roguenuke said:
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Eeerrrm... Wow. Here's a question for ya (on a similarly related subject).

Is it natural for some women to have literally no perineum? Is that a thing?

'Cuz... I just saw something online that I have never seen before in my life. This woman basically looked like her anus was actually coming out of her vagina, with no distinguishable separation (either physical or in terms of coloration) between the two whatsoever.

Botched epi cut repair, or just some really unusual natural variation?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Eeerrrm... Wow. Here's a question for ya (on a similarly related subject).

Is it natural for some women to have literally no perineum? Is that a thing?

'Cuz... I just saw something online that I have never seen before in my life. This woman basically looked like her anus was actually coming out of her vagina, with no distinguishable separation (either physical or in terms of coloration) between the two whatsoever.

Botched epi cut repair, or just some really unusual natural variation?
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A lot of things are possible with our bodies. There is at least one woman who has two vaginas. Some women have a penis (not talking about transsexuals/transgenders here either).

Born With Two Vaginas: Not So Rare - ABC News
 
Gathomas88 said:
Eeerrrm... Wow. Here's a question for ya (on a similarly related subject).

Is it natural for some women to have literally no perineum? Is that a thing?

'Cuz... I just saw something online that I have never seen before in my life. This woman basically looked like her anus was actually coming out of her vagina, with no distinguishable separation (either physical or in terms of coloration) between the two whatsoever.

Botched epi cut repair, or just some really unusual natural variation?
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Natural? Probably not. It's usually a sign of extreme tearing which never healed correctly -- deep enough to tear the muscle or perhaps even the anus itself in all likelihood. Most such tears are very hard to completely heal.

I suppose there is probably someone, in a world with 7 billion people, who was born with some kind of deformity such as that. The formation of the vaginal and anal wall could go wrong like anything else in the body could go wrong. But my guess is severe birth trauma.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Natural? Probably not. It's usually a sign of extreme tearing which never healed correctly -- deep enough to tear the muscle or perhaps even the anus itself in all likelihood. Most such tears are very hard to completely heal.

I suppose there is probably someone, in a world with 7 billion people, who was born with some kind of deformity such as that. The formation of the vaginal and anal wall could go wrong like anything else in the body could go wrong. But my guess is severe birth trauma.
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Yeah... I've seen some odds things in my time on the interwebs, but that just took me off guard.

You'll occasionally see some epi scars here and there, if you ever happen to watch vintage porn (back before they insisted on shaving/waxing everything, I guess it was less of a big deal), or even some of the amateur stuff. But that's usually just a big white line, or patch of discoloration, or something.

This girl, by way of contrast, literally looked like her pudendal cleft went all the way past her anus (and it kind of hooked off at a weird, crooked, angle after the vagina). A young, fit woman in a shiny new HD video too.

You'd figure that they would screen a person with something like that out ahead of time, but I guess not. :shrug:
 
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Well I would say, things have certainly improved at least in the last 100 years. There is probably a quantitative way of measuring that. It is MMR or Maternal Mortality Ratio. It has decreased steadily and currently it is about 180 in India, 28 in China & 14 in USA. What is sad and alarming is that still 1 woman dies every 2 minutes during childbirth and 20 or 30 encounter complications with serious or long-lasting consequences and India fares worse than many african countries. Still, a lot of work needs to be done.
I would suggest a dedicated National Health Scheme specifically custom made for women, especially expecting mothers. All countries should do this, instead of wasting money on men's issues which is stupid.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Unnecessary episiotomies and C-sections that are pushed on women are rampant, largely because they bring in more money. But these can leave lasting damage for the woman.
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Lots of good stuff in your post. I do want to add that it's not just about money. It's also about the litigious nature that exists in the U.S. If things get even a little dicey in there, the Dr. can feel compelled to intervene so if something goes wrong (s)he can say, "Look, I did everything possible to prevent X from happening."
 
Easy, don't go to the hospital when your water breaks; just lie in the comfort of your living room and wait for the baby to slip gently.
 
They should have thought about the chance of birth rape before they ever spread their legs, disgusting cretins...
 
Gathomas88 said:
Seriously??
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I'm new, is there some accepted way to type out sarcasm around these parts? Or, did you understand that I was being sarcastic and thought that my point, or the means I used to get my point across, were bad?
 
bungleodeon said:
I'm new, is there some accepted way to type out sarcasm around these parts? Or, did you understand that I was being sarcastic and thought that my point, or the means I used to get my point across, were bad?
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A well placed ":roll:" smiley tends to work wonders in this regard, in my experience.
 
maquiscat said:
What Is "Birth Rape"?

I can only just shake my head. Now I am not trying to say that there are not doctors who are just bad at their jobs, because there are. However, I find this to be going a little too far. The doctor in the birthing room has two patients; the mother and the baby. Things can happen where there simply isn't time to explain things or even ask permission, especially if the baby's life/safety is at stake, and sometimes even the mother's. This is what every mother should know when she goes in to give birth. Yes ideally, there will be time for the doctor to let the woman know what is happening and needs to happen, maybe even get permission. But things don't always go ideally and the doctor has to make the split second decisions. Now looking at the Skol example, I will say that the doctor should have had been hit with a malpractice suit and fined a lot more than he was. Skol and her baby should have been the focus. But I really can't see how the term "birth rape" can really come into play here.
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I've given birth to four children, some under extreme circumstances which put one or both of us at risk due to my many conditions that worsten during pregnancy and delivery. But I've never been in a situation - however severe some of my issues became - in which I was not informed of what was going on BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE NURSE.

Nurses are the communication link between doctor and mother and are there to help keep you informed and assist the doctor as needed. They're also there to front any concerns on part of the mother and help ensure the doctor is on the level.

At no time is there an excuse for not being told what the concerns are - either immediately or within minutes of a concern coming up. So when something is a logical or medically necessary event, she should be informed. Clear communication and honesty is part of the job.

But this:

A case that's been frequently cited as a public example of this upsetting phenomenon is that of Catherine Skol, whose regular obstetrician was on vacation when she went into labor. The doctor who attended her birth performed a rough vaginal exam, refused her an epidural, told her she and her baby were both at risk of dying, and had a loud phone conversation in the room about abortion, according to her complaint. He said on the phone about another patient, "That stupid woman, she has no business being pregnant," and told Skol when she complained that "pain is the best teacher." (He was eventually fined $500 and given a year's probation.)
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This isn't the same thing as undergoing necessary procedures in the name of good health and good practices.

This concept of 'birth rape' (but yeah, the name is ridiculous, I agree) addresses when things do not go right. It means nurses aren't doing their job and the doctor isn't doing hers.
 
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