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Can Child Dolls Keep Pedophiles from Offending?

Pedophiles does not you rape children. It means you are sexually attracted to children. Child molester means you rape or at least sexually assault children. There is a difference. You can be a pedophile without being a child molester and even be a child molester without being a pedophile.

A pedophile is just waiting the wrong time and moment to step over the line, they are all the same in my book.
 
Just sayin', lots of over-simplifying and broad generalizations going on here.



But yeah if it works, well good I suppose, but I'd really rather not know any more about it. Kinda wish I hadn't heard this much already. Ick.

I believe the phase be TMI. This thread definitely TMI.
 
A pedophile is just waiting the wrong time and moment to step over the line, they are all the same in my book.

It's difficult for me to sit here and with a straight face tell anyone that that's not a possibility without being an authority on the subject. All I can say is that if a desire to commit a crime translated into an automatic restriction of one's constitutional rights, it would necessarily result in a police state in the least subtle of incarnations.
 
A pedophile is just waiting the wrong time and moment to step over the line, they are all the same in my book.

The same could be said of a kleptomaniac, but there isn't a lot of call to punishment them before committing the crime. There are those who truly want help so as to not hurt children. Instead of helping them you want to punish and vilify them.
 
Pedophiles are not limited to males
True, but a large majority of them are.


nor is sexual assault limited to penile penetration.
Again: True.
However, it's a good start. The threat of losing one's....parts...would scare any sane person back onto the path of the straight and narrow.
 
Terrible idea. Some appetites should not be fed.
 
However, it's a good start. The threat of losing one's....parts...would scare any sane person back onto the path of the straight and narrow.

And this is where your ignorance comes into play. For the true pedophile, hebephile and so on, the loss of the body part does not get rid of the urge and the pressure. Yes such a threat may affect those who would prey on children out of opportunity as opposed to attraction. Some males have self castrated in an effort to not do anything. But the urges are still there and some have acted upon them despite a lack of genitals. That is why help over demonization is so important to those who are trying not to harm children and want to reach out for help.
 
The same could be said of a kleptomaniac, but there isn't a lot of call to punishment them before committing the crime. There are those who truly want help so as to not hurt children. Instead of helping them you want to punish and vilify them.

I really don't get why they need help to not rape children. If you know it's wrong and you don't want to do that then just don't. It's not like it's somehow a challenge to not rape people.
 
And this is where your ignorance comes into play. For the true pedophile, hebephile and so on, the loss of the body part does not get rid of the urge and the pressure. Yes such a threat may affect those who would prey on children out of opportunity as opposed to attraction. Some males have self castrated in an effort to not do anything. But the urges are still there and some have acted upon them despite a lack of genitals. That is why help over demonization is so important to those who are trying not to harm children and want to reach out for help.

What type treatment are you aware of that has been found to have the higher degree of long-term success for pedophiles/hebephiles?

Castration can be a shell game perpetrated by some of those who volunteer for the procedure. They know all they that all they have to do is find a source for testosterone to augment their current levels. Then they'll be back in business as usual.

Their sexual urge or libido, which are testosterone related, will always be in tact to a smaller degree because the adrenal glands are a source of testosterone in both men and women. Perhaps some individuals glands will produce more than others???

Adrenal Glands & Testosterone | LIVESTRONG.COM
 
I really don't get why they need help to not rape children. If you know it's wrong and you don't want to do that then just don't. It's not like it's somehow a challenge to not rape people.

It's like asking why is it so hard for a kleptomaniac not to steal when (s)he knows it's wrong. It's a miswire in the brain, and yes it is a challenge for them to not steal, or assault children depending on which disorder you are talking about. That is why they need help. While not a perfect parallel, I guess it could be compared to an addiction. You no doubt realize how hard it is for people to not do what their addiction is even when they do not want to. But unlike actual addictions, this is is hard wired into them, not developed over time.
 
What type treatment are you aware of that has been found to have the higher degree of long-term success for pedophiles/hebephiles?

Castration can be a shell game perpetrated by some of those who volunteer for the procedure. They know all they that all they have to do is find a source for testosterone to augment their current levels. Then they'll be back in business as usual.

Their sexual urge or libido, which are testosterone related, will always be in tact to a smaller degree because the adrenal glands are a source of testosterone in both men and women. Perhaps some individuals glands will produce more than others???

Adrenal Glands & Testosterone | LIVESTRONG.COM
This is kind of my point. Society has been so demonizing of such people, that they haven't dared ask for help till now. Even now there are many who are afraid because they will not receive help. And because of that view of society, no research has been even started until recently. Right now the best they can probably get is support/monitoring to reenforce on a regular basis what they want to do, much like many addictions. Hopefully we will be seeing much more research with this new movement arising to view pedophiles, et al, has having a condition they are born with. That's why they keep trying to make it akin to a sexual orientation or gender identity. It is not exactly the same, just like orientation and identity are not the same, but they are alike in that they are an ingrained part of who the person is. It's why I liken it to kleptomania, as that is a much closer comparison, but I don't fault advocates for riding the popular bandwagon.
 
It may help explain ventriloquists.
 
It may help explain ventriloquists.

WTF? There have been a number of jokes made in this thread, but at least they were easily related to the topic. There is no obvious connection here.
 
WTF? There have been a number of jokes made in this thread, but at least they were easily related to the topic. There is no obvious connection here.

I don't do easy and obvious, but think on it a bit more. If you are a ventriloquist, then I apologise to you.
 
This is kind of my point. Society has been so demonizing of such people, that they haven't dared ask for help till now. Even now there are many who are afraid because they will not receive help. And because of that view of society, no research has been even started until recently. Right now the best they can probably get is support/monitoring to reenforce on a regular basis what they want to do, much like many addictions. Hopefully we will be seeing much more research with this new movement arising to view pedophiles, et al, has having a condition they are born with. That's why they keep trying to make it akin to a sexual orientation or gender identity. It is not exactly the same, just like orientation and identity are not the same, but they are alike in that they are an ingrained part of who the person is. It's why I liken it to kleptomania, as that is a much closer comparison, but I don't fault advocates for riding the popular bandwagon.

Child Sex offenders that have been incarcerated - many admit that once released they'll offend again. Some prison systems have tried to treat offenders, but hadn't had much success.

What's really strange to me is that we can observe so many physical and mental variations in characteristics in humans, but for people who believe sexual orientation is simply a cognitive function that's can be manipulated almost at will - is really beyond me. My bet is that in the near future that science will be able to specifically determine the biological reasons for sexual orientation, which will be fundamentally labeled as an immutable characteristic - not a cognitive function. In other words, we're all wired at birth to be who we are.

That would blow the lid off of the cognitive behavioral theory held by heteros who are homophobic. That reality would be cause for haters to have to accept that the sinners aren't sinners and don't that they don't have the ability to think themselves into being hetero.

On the other side of the coin....

A lot of gay individuals fear that when such a finding is determine, it will lead to genetic engineering that will be used to ensure all conceptions are born. heterosexual.

But then there would be the question as to how to deal with what would be the 4th sexual orientation (pedophilia or the like), which is now considered to be a self-imposed sexual conduct by a lot of people. You know...more really wicked sinners who just don't want to stop sinning.

Anywho...just my take on this issue.

Thanks
 
Child Sex offenders that have been incarcerated - many admit that once released they'll offend again. Some prison systems have tried to treat offenders, but hadn't had much success.

What's really strange to me is that we can observe so many physical and mental variations in characteristics in humans, but for people who believe sexual orientation is simply a cognitive function that's can be manipulated almost at will - is really beyond me. My bet is that in the near future that science will be able to specifically determine the biological reasons for sexual orientation, which will be fundamentally labeled as an immutable characteristic - not a cognitive function. In other words, we're all wired at birth to be who we are.

That would blow the lid off of the cognitive behavioral theory held by heteros who are homophobic. That reality would be cause for haters to have to accept that the sinners aren't sinners and don't that they don't have the ability to think themselves into being hetero.

On the other side of the coin....

A lot of gay individuals fear that when such a finding is determine, it will lead to genetic engineering that will be used to ensure all conceptions are born. heterosexual.

But then there would be the question as to how to deal with what would be the 4th sexual orientation (pedophilia or the like), which is now considered to be a self-imposed sexual conduct by a lot of people. You know...more really wicked sinners who just don't want to stop sinning.

Anywho...just my take on this issue.

Thanks
Orientation in and of itself is about attraction and not action. One can be gay and still engage in heterosexual activity, and vice versa. But orientation does not push per se for people to act upon their sexual urges. There are many of all sexual orientations who deliberately choose to be celibate, temporarily or permanently. Pedophila, et al is different because it pushes the individual to act, much like kleptomania pushes. Neither is a cognative issue, and that is the only real similarity to sexual orientation.

Sex offenders basically come in two categories, and I will admit that this is a generalization. You have those that are attracted to underage drinking individuals, and those who are more rapist in motivation and are doing it for power and control. While both are likely to offend again, their motivations arise from different sources. One is a pedophile (or whatever depending upon age range attracted to), and the other is a sociopath.
 
Orientation in and of itself is about attraction and not action. One can be gay and still engage in heterosexual activity, and vice versa. But orientation does not push per se for people to act upon their sexual urges. There are many of all sexual orientations who deliberately choose to be celibate, temporarily or permanently. Pedophila, et al is different because it pushes the individual to act, much like kleptomania pushes. Neither is a cognative issue, and that is the only real similarity to sexual orientation.

Sex offenders basically come in two categories, and I will admit that this is a generalization. You have those that are attracted to underage drinking individuals, and those who are more rapist in motivation and are doing it for power and control. While both are likely to offend again, their motivations arise from different sources. One is a pedophile (or whatever depending upon age range attracted to), and the other is a sociopath.

Call one's sexual SELF whatever you wish. You clearly understand my meaning. If males consider females as their "natural sex partners" then I consider their sexual preference to be their sexual orientation to be hetero. And on and on. I opine that our natural sexual partner preferences are hardwired.

I consider pedophiles a natural born enemy of humanity. They prey on the very young who must trust and rely on adults to meet their every need.

Do they need help? Of course. Is it possible to actually have some successful means of stopping those who prefer children as their natural sex partner? Today! I doubt it.
 
Ick.

That said, if it actually results in non-offenses against real, live children, then that's a check in the win column.

Yep. Until we can rid people of pedophilia, it's a stop-gap.

Also, in Denmark they allow people to make kiddy porn (without any use of children - all CGI). They say this has reduced attacks on real kids.

It's sick, but it's better than kids getting raped.

Something the Church should look into.
 
You could probably trace their bizarre sex problems to us (yes, as in us...Americans). Their porn was perfectly normal until we went in and banned smut, so they pixellated their hoo-ha spots and replaced them with tentacles. It's a pretty good example of where the Prime Directive should have been followed.

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