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The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Renae

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Obviously this is important to me, however I think both sides are getting insane with this stuff.
No, you cannot banish transmen/women from using the correct gender bathrooms. Take that non-sense and get out of here. No, you cannot just decide "Today I'm really the opposite gender" and get a free pass into whatever facility you want to use. Get out of here with that non-sense.

If you are Trans, you MUST respect others. No if and's or but's about it. You want to be treated as a normal person? Act like it. Reagan was right, "Trust but verify". I suggest all Trans folks, need to be in therapy, this is to aide in your transition and ensure you're not harming yourself. This also would allow you to get a small card, that indicates you are in fact, transgender.

What good is a card?

It's trust, for both parties.

Let's say I am out and about, and need to use the ladies room, but someone in there realizes I was born male (I am after all pre-op). I can understand, she may be concerned at the situation. Fine, I can accept that. The cops show up, I pull out my card, she realizes I'm yes, there to use the proper restroom and am no threat, I am calm because while annoying as it might be, nothing will come of it. She might just be hesitant to harrass in the future, and I'll be less concerned about a ruckus if I have to take care of business. Think of it like a handicap sign or other identification. It's not there to single someone out, it's there to let all parties know "it's okay". Once I am fully transitioned, I can keep the card if I like however my DL will show female (that could also be "the card" at that point cause it's not easy to get the M to F on that darn thing.

It will make it far far far less likely then it already IS that a person with devious intent will be in the wrong restroom, and everyone can use the toilet without concern.

That's my compromise solution.
 
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Sounds reasonable, but I wonder how long it'll take before your suggestion gets equated with Jews having to wear the Star of David in Nazi Germany.
 
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Renae said:
Obviously this is important to me, however I think both sides are getting insane with this stuff.
No, you cannot banish transmen/women from using the correct gender bathrooms. Take that non-sense and get out of here. No, you cannot just decide "Today I'm really the opposite gender" and get a free pass into whatever facility you want to use. Get out of here with that non-sense.

If you are Trans, you MUST respect others. No if and's or but's about it. You want to be treated as a normal person? Act like it. Reagan was right, "Trust but verify". I suggest all Trans folks, need to be in therapy, this is to aide in your transition and ensure you're not harming yourself. This also would allow you to get a small card, that indicates you are in fact, transgender.

What good is a card?

It's trust, for both parties.

Let's say I am out and about, and need to use the ladies room, but someone in there realizes I was born male (I am after all pre-op). I can understand, she may be concerned at the situation. Fine, I can accept that. The cops show up, I pull out my card, she realizes I'm yes, there to use the proper restroom and am no threat, I am calm because while annoying as it might be, nothing will come of it. She might just be hesitant to harrass in the future, and I'll be less concerned about a ruckus if I have to take care of business. Think of it like a handicap sign or other identification. It's not there to single someone out, it's there to let all parties know "it's okay". Once I am fully transitioned, I can keep the card if I like however my DL will show female (that could also be "the card" at that point cause it's not easy to get the M to F on that darn thing.

It will make it far far far less likely then it already IS that a person with devious intent will be in the wrong restroom, and everyone can use the toilet without concern.

That's my compromise solution.
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That's actually a well thought out idea, Renae. You should share it with the socialist in the other thread who said he can't wait for you to come in with your right libertarian comments or bloviating or some such thing. But I doubt he's listen.

I respect your situation and unlike many on the right, I don't think you have a problem. I also applaud the fact that you respect that some women may not want to see your pre-op privates, and many people wouldn't want their daughters to see them either.

I always enjoy your posts on the matter because unlike 99.9% of the other people who post about this issue, you are really living it.
 
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X Factor said:
Sounds reasonable, but I wonder how long it'll take before your suggestion gets equated with Jews having to wear the Star of David in Nazi Germany.
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Oh ****, I didn't even think of that.
 
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X Factor said:
Sounds reasonable, but I wonder how long it'll take before your suggestion gets equated with Jews having to wear the Star of David in Nazi Germany.
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I have a friend with a service dog, he carries a little "Proof of need" documentation with him, it's really no different.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That's actually a well thought out idea, Renae. You should share it with the socialist in the other thread who said he can't wait for you to come in with your right libertarian comments or bloviating or some such thing. But I doubt he's listen.

I respect your situation and unlike many on the right, I don't think you have a problem. I also applaud the fact that you respect that some women may not want to see your pre-op privates, and many people wouldn't want their daughters to see them either.

I always enjoy your posts on the matter because unlike 99.9% of the other people who post about this issue, you are really living it.
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I liked the OP too, mainly because it didn't immediately fall into victim mode, like "how dare you question me". I actually don't think that many people really object to trans people using the bathroom or locker room. I think the problem is more along the laws being written so over broadly that they could be taken advantage of by guys who just want to hang our in a ladies locker room.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That's actually a well thought out idea, Renae. You should share it with the socialist in the other thread who said he can't wait for you to come in with your right libertarian comments or bloviating or some such thing. But I doubt he's listen.

I respect your situation and unlike many on the right, I don't think you have a problem. I also applaud the fact that you respect that some women may not want to see your pre-op privates, and many people wouldn't want their daughters to see them either.

I always enjoy your posts on the matter because unlike 99.9% of the other people who post about this issue, you are really living it.
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I am against Pre-op in public shower/nudity situations. But using a toilet I am not.

It's strange you know, the reaction of people, I've yet to have anyone yell at me or say anything to me. I rarely go out full femme so my sample is limited, but I wear sandals ALL the time, my toes are a nice lavender at the moment and my hair and earrings make it clear I am not abiding by standard gender norms. And this is in Texas.
 
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X Factor said:
I liked the OP too, mainly because it didn't immediately fall into victim mode, like "how dare you question me". I actually don't think that many people really object to trans people using the bathroom or locker room. I think the problem is more along the laws being written so over broadly that they could be taken advantage of by guys who just want to hang our in a ladies locker room.
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I opposed trans people using bathrooms or locker rooms of the opposite sex. :shrug:
 
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Henrin said:
I opposed trans people using bathrooms or locker rooms of the opposite sex. :shrug:
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Well, too bad for you. Once someone has transitioned, they are legally that gender, so yeah, they get to use the facilities of the gender they are now legally recognized as. I have no problem with that because nobody trans is going to go through all that if it's not real to them.
 
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X Factor said:
Well, too bad for you.
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Yeah, apparently reason is going out the window. They are people that found themselves in a spot where they don't belong in either bathroom. My compromise is different bathrooms for them. :shrug:
 
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Renae said:
I am against Pre-op in public shower/nudity situations. But using a toilet I am not.

It's strange you know, the reaction of people, I've yet to have anyone yell at me or say anything to me. I rarely go out full femme so my sample is limited, but I wear sandals ALL the time, my toes are a nice lavender at the moment and my hair and earrings make it clear I am not abiding by standard gender norms. And this is in Texas.
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It's too early in the season for lavender toes! Make them a dark purple (that's what I have now).:lol:
 
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Henrin said:
Yeah, apparently reason is going out the window. They are people that found themselves in a spot where they don't belong in either bathroom. My compromise is different bathrooms for them. :shrug:
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Why don't we belong? Because you have issues? That's a you problem, deal with it. If I gotta use the ladies room, I might just be sitting in the stall next your wife/mother/sister/daughter. And guess what? Only you will care.
 
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I think I can count on one finger how many public, multi-stall, restrooms I have used in the last 20 years.

You can all use any one you want as far as I'm concerned.
 
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tres borrachos said:
It's too early in the season for lavender toes! Make them a dark purple (that's what I have now).:lol:
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It's some new 2 stage gel polish we picked up. It kinda looks like plastic, not really loving it. Over the holidays my toes were a gorgeous deep red wine. I loved it.
 
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Renae said:
Why don't we belong? Because you have issues? That's a you problem, deal with it. If I gotta use the ladies room, I might just be sitting in the stall next your wife/mother/sister/daughter. And guess what? Only you will care.
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Because you aren't a woman and you would be out of place in a mans bathroom. You're really a thing created by warped science that belongs in your own bathroom.

Oh and dude, I was here first and I'm not some thing created by science, so no, I won't just deal with it.
 
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Renae said:
It's some new 2 stage gel polish we picked up. It kinda looks like plastic, not really loving it. Over the holidays my toes were a gorgeous deep red wine. I loved it.
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Yup, I always do my nails red over the holidays too. Try some medium/dark purple - it looks great!
 
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Renae said:
I have a friend with a service dog, he carries a little "Proof of need" documentation with him, it's really no different.
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I think the biggest problem with your solution is the assumption that all trans people see a therapist. It might be a good idea but I'm not in favor of forcing them like that. Hell, there are probably many trans people out there that don't want to go through with any conversion other than dressing and acting as the other sex and they are certainly not doing any harm to themselves.
 
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Henrin said:
Because you aren't a woman and you would be out of place in a mans bathroom. You're really a thing created by warped science that belongs in your own bathroom.

Oh and dude, I was here first and I'm not some thing created by science, so no, I won't just deal with it.
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Henrin,

So you think private business should be forced to build three restrooms, at their expense because you, YOU have a problem? Forcing your own hang ups on others costing them real money and resources. That's really messed up.

Just because nature screwed up when I was born doesn't mean I'm going to stand idle in fear of people like yourself. I'm so over that crud.
 
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Renae said:
Henrin,

So you think private business should be forced to build three restrooms, at their expense because you, YOU have a problem? Forcing your own hang ups on others costing them real money and resources. That's really messed up.

Just because nature screwed up when I was born doesn't mean I'm going to stand idle in fear of people like yourself. I'm so over that crud.
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I don't think business should be forced to do anything on the matter. You do realize my position is supported by the population and it is your side that needs government force, right?

The problem with you wasn't caused by birth, but something that happened months before that point. And who even cares if you're scared or not? I'm not demanding you be scared or have any sort of emotion whatsoever, but saying that you're not what you claim to be and don't belong in a bathroom for women or men.
 
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Renae said:
Why don't we belong? Because you have issues? That's a you problem, deal with it. If I gotta use the ladies room, I might just be sitting in the stall next your wife/mother/sister/daughter. And guess what? Only you will care.
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Actually no, its a you have issues problem. I'm fine with the sitter downs using the sitter down facilities, and the stander ups using the stander up facilities.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
I think the biggest problem with your solution is the assumption that all trans people see a therapist. It might be a good idea but I'm not in favor of forcing them like that. Hell, there are probably many trans people out there that don't want to go through with any conversion other than dressing and acting as the other sex and they are certainly not doing any harm to themselves.
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As long as you are not on hormones I can live with that, but self medicating is an issue in the trans community and it's dangerous. (which is the real reason I think if you're going down this road, do it right). What you are describing though, is more of a crossdresser.
 
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jimbo said:
Actually no, its a you have issues problem. I'm fine with the sitter downs using the sitter down facilities, and the stander ups using the stander up facilities.
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So when I can no longer stand with the standers you have no issue with me sitting with the sitters?
 
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Renae said:
Why don't we belong? Because you have issues? That's a you problem, deal with it. If I gotta use the ladies room, I might just be sitting in the stall next your wife/mother/sister/daughter. And guess what? Only you will care.
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Hey, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I've seen Henrin argue that a trans woman is still a man and always will be. At least he's acknowledging a real difference now.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Yup, I always do my nails red over the holidays too. Try some medium/dark purple - it looks great!
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I got just the bottle. Next coloring night I will bring it out.
 
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Renae said:
So when I can no longer stand with the standers you have no issue with me sitting with the sitters?
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That's true.
 
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