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The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

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roguenuke said:
...since those things are just extras that people can choose not to use.
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Or designers can choose not to put in without affecting the purpose of the room.
 
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maquiscat said:
Many business don't have public restrooms, so no it is not an issue of constitutionality. Even where public restrooms are required, they only have to be made available not have specific requirements.
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Sure, and some requirements would be unconstitutional, like having one that says "no blacks."
 
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roguenuke said:
The majority of Americans still don't have any issue with bathroom usage and despite using the restroom that others might feel they should use but also not having any issue with someone who doesn't have the same parts as them using that same restroom.
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I am in complete agreement that the vast majority of Americans do not have any issue with public restroom usage as has been followed for quite a long time now.
 
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haymarket said:
I am in complete agreement that the vast majority of Americans do not have any issue with public restroom usage as has been followed for quite a long time now.
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The majority of Americans don't have any issue with having transgender men or women in the restroom with cisgender men and women. Most don't notice, don't care enough to check.
 
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roguenuke said:
The majority of Americans don't have any issue with having transgender men or women in the restroom with cisgender men and women.
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I would be happy to examine your evidence to support that claim.
 
chromium said:
Yeah but is that really such a sacrifice, to treat someone with respect? If i change my hair color or get a tattoo, should i not be treated with respect or at least tolerated? Should tattoos be banned because the Amish think it's a sin? Again i feel you get caught up in the belief versus decency and rights perspective. The simple fact is there's probably no human behavior or identity that someone doesn't reject.
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How about the things you're intolerant to? Are you equally as concerned with showing respect for those beliefs you clearly dislike? You cannot control how others view you, Chrom, and shouldn't try. What right does anyone have to dictate how someone else views someone? From now on, I want to be referred to as a child of the living God and any deviation from that makes you a horrible person.
 
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RAMOSS said:
And, in the mean time, in Virginia, a bill was introduced to insure that children use the bathroom for which they are anatomically equipped

Now, to be enforceable, as was pointed out, the teaches would have to inspect the various children private parts... Eeewwwwee.

Virginia GOP bill would require schools to verify children’s genitals before using restroom
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Somebody did not think that through. Stupidly reactionary laws seldom turn out to be good laws.
 
X Factor said:
How about the things you're intolerant to? Are you equally as concerned with showing respect for those beliefs you clearly dislike? You cannot control how others view you, Chrom, and shouldn't try. What right does anyone have to dictate how someone else views someone? From now on, I want to be referred to as a child of the living God and any deviation from that makes you a horrible person.
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when did i ever deny that you're Christian or that the religion exists, or insist you can only pray in areas non-Christians designate for you?

i see many of the comments here about transgender as being ****ing rude if nothing else

but really, transgender is not a belief like "separate bathrooms should be strictly enforced regardless of appearance". It's an identity. Denying that they exist is an irrational belief, and refusing to treat them with respect can be harmful and stems from that belief. Someone can change how they view lgbt, happens all the time in fact, but changing one's gender identity....very difficult to impossible.

Hence why i'm critical of the intolerance
 
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chromium said:
when did i ever deny that you're Christian or that the religion exists, or insist you can only pray in areas non-Christians designate for you?

i see many of the comments here about transgender as being ****ing rude if nothing else

but really, transgender is not a belief like "separate bathrooms should be strictly enforced regardless of appearance". It's an identity. Denying that they exist is an irrational belief, and refusing to treat them with respect can be harmful and stems from that belief. Someone can change how they view lgbt, happens all the time in fact, but changing one's gender identity....very difficult to impossible.

Hence why i'm critical of the intolerance
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So you believe "respect" should be legally mandated? I guess my question is, why is it so important to you if people you likely don't even "like" or give any kind of **** about normally, respond exactly in the way you think they should? The law is one thing, but personal reaction/belief, why do you get to dictate that (or think you should)?
 
X Factor said:
So you believe "respect" should be legally mandated? I guess my question is, why is it so important to you if people you likely don't even "like" or give any kind of **** about normally, respond exactly in the way you think they should? The law is one thing, but personal reaction/belief, why do you get to dictate that (or think you should)?
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Nowhere did i say to "legally mandate" treating someone or a behavior or belief with respect, but tolerance, as in not assaulting someone with tattoos or trying to ban a trans person from using a restroom or wearing certain clothes, that needs to be enforced yes. Pretty sure i've explained acceptance vs tolerance on here as i see it

I just find it a lot more admirable to stick up for the minority rights, especially when the claim of harm being done is rather dubious and the complaint is irrational and even rooted in prejudice. But even in cases where the majority is correct and restrictions are appropriate, they can sure as hell voice their objection a lot more tactfully than i routinely see done in threads about transgender. You know, "do unto others" and all
 
chromium said:
Nowhere did i say to "legally mandate" treating someone or a behavior or belief with respect, but tolerance, as in not assaulting someone with tattoos or trying to ban a trans person from using a restroom or wearing certain clothes, that needs to be enforced yes. Pretty sure i've explained acceptance vs tolerance on here as i see it

I just find it a lot more admirable to stick up for the minority rights, especially when the claim of harm being done is rather dubious and the complaint is irrational and even rooted in prejudice. But even in cases where the majority is correct and restrictions are appropriate, they can sure as hell voice their objection a lot more tactfully than i routinely see done in threads about transgender. You know, "do unto others" and all
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Yeah, well, that's not a one way street. At least it appears you agree with me now that "courtesy" or avoiding offense is really not a compelling argument for anything.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, apparently reason is going out the window. They are people that found themselves in a spot where they don't belong in either bathroom. My compromise is different bathrooms for them. :shrug:
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So, you'd impose the cost on businesses all over America to build another bathroom because you get icky feelings? How about you pay for bathrooms, since you are the one with the problem?
 
X Factor said:
Sounds reasonable, but I wonder how long it'll take before your suggestion gets equated with Jews having to wear the Star of David in Nazi Germany.
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I dont particularly believe it sounds reasonable but I agree with the 2nd part.

But too many women, teens (both genders), kids, will be too shy or intimidated or "polite" to do so. Or busy (in a hurry, sick, screaming kid that MUST go NOW, dozens of other reasons to be extremely focused on physical problems in a restroom)
 
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