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City of Cincinnati poised to ban "Conversion Therapy"

The ban is on minors as it should be.
Why because thats also what the medical community supports. "Conversion therapy" is not support by the majority of the medical community especially for minors since it is FORCED on them.
Good move, these bans are spreading as they should and they too will be national eventually.
 
I don't know. i think minors should at least know about conversion therapy and why it's crap and then let them make up their own minds on what they want to do when they turn 18.
 
TurtleDude said:
and make any act subject to a 200 dollar fine. this bill, introduced by councilman and openly gay Chris Sealbach looks like it will pass tomorrow. most of council (i.e. all the democrats and the left leaning Charterites) support this bill. whether its been a real issue in Cincinnati is hard to say

if it passes it will be the first city to do that
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cool.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Really?

You guys want to be treated fairly and equally.

Now you refuse to do the same.

How telling.

Thank you for the education.
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How typically passive-aggressive of your type. Along with the ridiculous presumption implicit in the post that all a lesbian really needs is a "proper man" to straighten her out, whatever that might be.
Maybe "Us guys" have no need for equality but have earned a millenium or two of complete domination.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How typically passive-aggressive of your type. Along with the ridiculous presumption implicit in the post that all a lesbian really needs is a "proper man" to straighten her out, whatever that might be.
Maybe "Us guys" have no need for equality but have earned a millenium or two of complete domination.
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Yawn. Your posts have no substance nor credibility.

dude, I am not trying to troll you or insult or berate you.

I am bringing a valid double standard that your kind loves to practice.

Consider this: you claim to be different than the people who have oppressed you and maligned you.I don't fault you for that.

But, with you "we should dominate for two thousand years" crap is really no different than those who did oppress and malign you.


The only real way to take the moral high road from the people you despise is to not be the people you despise.

And the people you despise love double standards and special privileges and have an incredible huge inferiority complex so they seek to dominate everything, not caring about who they hurt along the way.

You seek to dominate and impose, you're going to be doing the same exact thing.

so I can't see any difference between you and them.
 
faithful_servant said:
So what happens when a person is acting homosexual as a result of abuse??
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They should be encouraged to seek real therapy instead of cultist faith healing.

Is it OK to simply tell them that it's OK
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To be homosexual, absolutely.
or should we work to help them move past that and into what they born to be??
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Who is "we", uneducated biased cult leaders that are truly homosexual themselves and seek to convert homosexuals as an outlet of existential angst, or psychological behavioral specialists that have been trained to help folks? I would say no to the former but yes to encouraging people to seek psychological help if they are having difficulties.
Remember - born gay also means born straight, so the same standards apply.
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I honestly doubt a heterosexual person would enjoy having sexual relationships with people of the same sex, regardless of sexual abuse and history.

The concept of a straight guy addicted to sucking on other fellows penises is laughable.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I don't know. i think minors should at least know about conversion therapy and why it's crap and then let them make up their own minds on what they want to do when they turn 18.
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Let's look at this. Therapy that claims to change homosexuals into heterosexuals is madness. Madness applied is abusive.

The idea that sexual orientation is something a person cannot help renders any therapy to that end madness.

It would be like calling a group that claims to convert short people into tall people therapy. They could call this faith healing and it would be perfectly legal. They want to call it therapy because it makes people believe it's legitimate. That is the only reason to fight this. Do that they can continue to claim legitimacy. If it works than it wouldn't matter what you call it would it?
 
Kal'Stang said:
If true I'm of two minds on this. On one hand I'm all for it. Conversion therapy when forced has been known to be, to put it mildly, extremely detrimental to those that under go it. On the other hand those that willingly go through with it and succeed do seem to be perfectly happy. Due to this I don't think I'd support an outright ban. I would most certainly put certain restrictions on it though. Such as not being able to force anyone to go through with it and no one under 21 is allowed to be put in it.

Also part of the reason that I'm against this as an outright ban is that I'm a full supporter of a persons Right to Choice. If a person wants to go through with it then they should be allowed to.
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Exactly what he said.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Let's look at this. Therapy that claims to change homosexuals into heterosexuals is madness. Madness applied is abusive.

The idea that sexual orientation is something a person cannot help renders any therapy to that end madness.

It would be like calling a group that claims to convert short people into tall people therapy. They could call this faith healing and it would be perfectly legal. They want to call it therapy because it makes people believe it's legitimate. That is the only reason to fight this. Do that they can continue to claim legitimacy. If it works than it wouldn't matter what you call it would it?
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Yet there are some who were homosexual that did go through it and decided to not be homosexual anymore and never looked back.

But, i strongly suspect that the actual "success" rate, if you can call it that, is actually about the same as alcoholics Anonymous, being roughly around five percent.

And that, is probably the real crux of the matter, because a scant few actually make the choice to change their orientation after having gone through this, and probably the real motivation behind attacking the t"therapy", if you can call that too.

Remember, the homosexual mantra is you can't choose to be gay you either are or you aren't?

But what they fail to realize is that some people have to experiment sexually before they can know for sure.
 
Chomsky said:
And whether adults of free-mind & will, should be able to decide to seek this out if it otherwise produces no harm?
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What do you mean 'otherwise'? You admit it does some harm, but otherwise it doesn't? What harm do you concede it does?

It has been shown to produce great harm. Ask our resident psychiatrists and therapists. Research it.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Yet there are some who were homosexual that did go through it and decided to not be homosexual anymore and never looked back.
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I find that doubtful

But, i strongly suspect that the actual "success" rate, if you can call it that, is actually about the same as alcoholics Anonymous, being roughly around five percent.
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Indeed

And that, is probably the real crux of the matter, because a scant few actually make the choice to change their orientation after having gone through this, and probably the real motivation behind attacking the t"therapy", if you can call that too.
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No, I have no real issue with ex-gay folks. I think the therapy (if you can call it that) is based in faith healing. Often times the ones administering it are homosexual themselves and have difficulty with their own sexuality. It's literally insane running the asylum. This therapy is abusive because it is based on madness.

Remember, the homosexual mantra is you can't choose to be gay you either are or you aren't?

But what they fail to realize is that some people have to experiment sexually before they can know for sure.
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Well, I don't think that really has much to do with it. Experimentation Normally gives a clear answer.
 
Lursa said:
Adults need to be responsible for themselves....do research before undergoing surgeries,
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I'd say absolutely DON'T do that if you don't have the training and education to understand the implications and medical science that you might come across. If you aren't a qualified medical researcher or practitioner, don't try to be one by using yourself as a guinea pig.

getting a 2nd opinion,
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Absolutely do do that!

Everyone today knows that being gay isnt a choice. If they dont want to believe it, then that's their problem.
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Trouble is, you have so many of these religious shysters trying to persuade you that it is a choice that anyone who's vulnerable, gullible or merely credulous can easily be misled.

If they self-hate so much if they're gay, then IMO they do need some psychiatric help to try and deal with that, so they can be happier.
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Yes, they need that. What they don't need is to be persuaded by some religious nut that some god wants them to be something they're not.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I find that doubtful

Indeed

No, I have no real issue with ex-gay folks. I think the therapy (if you can call it that) is based in faith healing. Often times the ones administering it are homosexual themselves and have difficulty with their own sexuality. It's literally insane running the asylum. This therapy is abusive because it is based on madness.


Well, I don't think that really has much to do with it. Experimentation Normally gives a clear answer.
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how do you know it's based on madness? Have you ever had any kind of personal experience on it, such as attending a meeting or read any material on their techniques?
 
Ancient Herald said:
how do you know it's based on madness?
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The administers are normally homosexuals that have issues with their own sexuality. That and they operate on absolutely no science what do ever. There are no studies there isn't even a theory. It can't be based on psychology, and because the administers that apply it suffer from psychological illnesses, it's madness.

Have you ever had any kind of personal experience on it, such as attending a meeting or read any material on their techniques?
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Yes, their techniques are aversion, so their name is a fraud. I've read a lot about it.
 
On the one hand Conversion Therapy has never successfully altered the sexual orientation of a single person, but on the other hand we don't stop consenting adults from entering cults so I'm not sure why this should be singled out.
 
TurtleDude said:
and make any act subject to a 200 dollar fine. this bill, introduced by councilman and openly gay Chris Sealbach looks like it will pass tomorrow. most of council (i.e. all the democrats and the left leaning Charterites) support this bill. whether its been a real issue in Cincinnati is hard to say

if it passes it will be the first city to do that
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Good, it is FAUX science to begin with and falls under practicing medicine without a license as far as I am concerned.
 
Sherman123 said:
On the one hand Conversion Therapy has never successfully altered the sexual orientation of a single person, but on the other hand we don't stop consenting adults from entering cults so I'm not sure why this should be singled out.
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We do, however, stop people from labeling breakfast cereal as therapy.

Consenting adults can enter the process, I can't stop that, but it should absolutely be illegal to call it "therapy," or to do it with children.
 
If the ban applies only to minors, then this suggests the process is harmful. If it is indeed harmful, then shouldn't it be banned entirely? :shrug:

Same would apply to subjects such as tanning salons, which my state is talking about banning only for minor's.

Or, dare I say it?... cigarettes?
 
radcen said:
If the ban applies only to minors, then this suggests the process is harmful. If it is indeed harmful, then shouldn't it be banned entirely? :shrug:

Same would apply to subjects such as tanning salons, which my state is talking about banning only for minor's.

Or, dare I say it?... cigarettes?
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When it comes to adults, I personally think they do things to harm themselves as much as htey want, as long as it doesn't impact others.
 
RAMOSS said:
When it comes to adults, I personally think they do things to harm themselves as much as htey want, as long as it doesn't impact others.
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In theory I don't disagree. How far does "not impact others" go?

Take tanning salons, as an example. If a mother gets skin cancer and dies, her kids didn't tan or get skin cancer, but they no longer have a mother. Are they not impacted?
 
radcen said:
In theory I don't disagree. How far does "not impact others" go?

Take tanning salons, as an example. If a mother gets skin cancer and dies, her kids didn't tan or get skin cancer, but they no longer have a mother. Are they not impacted?
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Yeah but then we start running into a line of reasoning where literally any action does actually affect others. I sneeze and the weather changes in India next week, ya know?
 
Deuce said:
Yeah but then we start running into a line of reasoning where literally any action does actually affect others. I sneeze and the weather changes in India next week, ya know?
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I'm with ya, but I think we need to be careful when saying individual actions don't impact others as a blanket statement. As much as we would like to, we don't live in a bubble.
 
radcen said:
If the ban applies only to minors, then this suggests the process is harmful. If it is indeed harmful, then shouldn't it be banned entirely? :shrug:

Same would apply to subjects such as tanning salons, which my state is talking about banning only for minor's.

Or, dare I say it?... cigarettes?
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Personally, I think it should be allowed and pursued as consumer fraud. After enough places are dragged through court trying to prove the efficacy of their harmful practices and putting their wallets where their mouth is, I imagine the fear of being sued will ultimately shutter most of these places.
 
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