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Sex For The First Time?

notquiteright said:
Actually what more primitive societies did was a form of 'hedonism'. By having more than one sex partner, sharing the partners within the tribe, the men tended to provide for the entire tribe, rather than just their mate. South Pacific Islanders (of 'Mutiny on the Bounty' fame) commonly shared their women as a bonding ritual. So did many other early tribes here in North America. In many earlier societies a man's wealth and social status hinged on the number of wives he could support.

Early societies were more pack like than monogamous relationships. Alpha males getting primacy on mating rights and the using access to females a powerful tool in maintaining loyalty within the tribal unit. Disease spread more through a COMPLETE lack of understanding what disease is and how it is spread- remember until the 18th century washing your hands after taking a dump was not the norm. Dirty clothes spread disease far faster with more deadly results than a dirty dick. So you can't possible expect 'most primitive human societies' to adopt cultural sexual patterns to deal with a concept (disease) they blamed on the GAWDS disfavor...

Monogamy and providing for only one mate and the offspring of that union is a fairly unique trait of a very few 'tribes' (and even they gave the wives of slain men to their brothers) and for most of 'civilizations' and pretty new development...

Nice try at rewrite though.... :peace
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Keep in mind gath's definition of "primitive tribe" is so restrictive it can't help but reinforce his theory. In another thread he used as evidence 2 tribes of less than 30 ppl in africa, both with nearby access to cities. In reality, any tribe truly similar to our ancient ancestors would have to be in a remote location such as the amazon, that hasn't been contacted/contaminated by the outside world. Such a tribe wouldn't even be studied yet

edit: and in fact he did referenced this same tribe for a 3rd time now - "live in camps that average 25 people"
 
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chromium said:
Keep in mind gath's definition of "primitive tribe" is so restrictive it can't help but reinforce his theory. In another thread he used as evidence 2 tribes of less than 30 ppl in africa, both with nearby access to cities. In reality, any tribe truly similar to our ancient ancestors would have to be in a remote location such as the amazon, that hasn't been contacted/contaminated by the outside world. Such a tribe wouldn't even be studied yet

edit: and in fact he did referenced this same tribe for a 3rd time now - "live in camps that average 25 people"
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Uhhh... Yeah. That's the way "hunter gatherers" tend to function. By extrapolation, their way of life is most likely the one that was shared by our most ancient ancestors, because our most ancient ancestors were also hunter gatherers.

I'm frankly kind of confused as to why you think there's a problem with using hunter gatherer tribes as an example when one is explicitly talking about hunter gatherer tribes.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I wish to present a question for discussion. I'm asking out of curiosity, nothing more.

When you had sex for the first time, other than losing your virginity, did it change you in any way?
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I have to ask. Why are you asking this question?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Uhhh... Yeah. That's the way "hunter gatherers" tend to function. By extrapolation, they're way of life is most likely the one that was shared by our most ancient ancestors, who were also hunter gatherers. I'm frankly kind of confused as to why you think there's a problem with using them as an example.
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Uhhhh... yeah. That's how two cherry picked groups in close contact with cities behave. You continue to ignore the dozens of first contact reports from the Age of Discovery where sexual union and monogamy was far more ahhhh casual and offering women to guests was expected.

Oh and I'm still waiting on just how primitive tribes knew about STDs.
 
Slipped my mind. All I know is that I got hooked on it. :mrgreen:
 
I lead a celibate lifestyle, and have forsaken it. But I still get curious about things.

i am one of those kinds of people just have a very powerful curiosity about, well, lots of things and i think about a lot of things that most people don't.

this is one of those times.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Uhhh... Yeah. That's the way "hunter gatherers" tend to function. By extrapolation, their way of life is most likely the one that was shared by our most ancient ancestors, because our most ancient ancestors were also hunter gatherers.

I'm frankly kind of confused as to why you think there's a problem with using hunter gatherer tribes as an example when one is explicitly talking about hunter gatherer tribes.
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I already explained in detail for you in the other thread, and summarized here for others, who somehow are able to understand perfectly well
 
Gathomas88 said:
Uhhh... Yeah. That's the way "hunter gatherers" tend to function. By extrapolation, their way of life is most likely the one that was shared by our most ancient ancestors, because our most ancient ancestors were also hunter gatherers.

I'm frankly kind of confused as to why you think there's a problem with using hunter gatherer tribes as an example when one is explicitly talking about hunter gatherer tribes.
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This is not the subject of this thread.

you should start another topic.
 
chromium said:
I already explained in detail for you in the other thread, and summarized here for others, who somehow are able to understand perfectly well
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Yeah, and? You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

If there was ever such thing as a "default" state of human nature, hunter gatherers pretty much have it. From looking at the way they live, we gain insight into how human beings in general most likely lived prior to the advent of more advanced forms of civilization.

I hate to break it to you guys, but they were (and are) hardly a bunch of "free love" hippies. That's a myth.
 
chromium said:
go find out for yourself then? You are an adult yes?
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Oh boy, not another get off the internet personal attack crap.

You people just can not help yourselves, can you?
 
Ancient Herald said:
When you had sex for the first time, other than losing your virginity,
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Isn't the first time you have sex the time when you lose your virginity? What am I missing here?
 
chromium said:
go find out for yourself then? You are an adult yes?
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Ancient Herald said:
Oh boy, not another get off the internet personal attack crap.

You people just can not help yourselves, can you?
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Oh my god... stop taking everything so ****ing personally! He is just saying go out and experience life for christ's sake. I wasn't being rude to you before either...
 
Ancient Herald said:
Come on guys. i'd appreciate getting back to my OP please. Thanks.
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The first time i had sex was memorable. My hormones were on the run and so was the other guy's. I was more excited than nervous when he took off his shirt, and then his pants. nice everything: chest, shoulders, legs and abs. And all that hair on his chest. Putting my face to his chest… Wowee. We had a nice little conversation and a couple drinks before we started touching each other's body. And then the culmination. It was a fun time. And then we slept.
 
Glowpun said:
The first time i had sex was memorable. My hormones were on the run and so was the other guy's. I was more excited than nervous when he took off his shirt, and then his pants. nice everything: chest, shoulders, legs and abs. And all that hair on his chest. Putting my face to his chest… Wowee. We had a nice little conversation and a couple drinks before we started touching each other's body. And then the culmination. It was a fun time. And then we slept.
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it sounds like you really enjoyed seeing his privates.
 
Ancient Herald said:
it sounds like you really enjoyed seeing his privates.
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I sure as hell did!! Pubic hairs were thick. ;) He was older but that did not matter. I wonder if he is still with us. Damn his body was nice.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I wish to present a question for discussion. I'm asking out of curiosity, nothing more.

When you had sex for the first time, other than losing your virginity, did it change you in any way?
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I went out and bought Paul Kantner's Blows Against the Empire album because that was what my girlfriend was playing the night I first slept with her
 
It was messy. A bit of a struggle to get everything lined up, and then tricky to pull off. Over quick, a bit of an explosion, a bit of a let down. Kind of a "huh, so that's all it is".

But afterwards I killed the chicken and fried it, and that was delicious.....
 
cpwill said:
It was messy. A bit of a struggle to get everything lined up, and then tricky to pull off. Over quick, a bit of an explosion, a bit of a let down. Kind of a "huh, so that's all it is".

But afterwards I killed the chicken and fried it, and that was delicious.....
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damn, that was just plain Fowl!
 
Glowpun said:
I sure as hell did!! Pubic hairs were thick. ;) He was older but that did not matter. I wonder if he is still with us. Damn his body was nice.
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He's probably a sitting Congressman now....
 
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