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America is going through a sexual revolution, and this self-identification survey pro

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Things we didn't have in the 1950s. :roll:

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Average number of sexual partners appears to have increased dramatically as well.

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The fact that a few people may have behaved badly in the past doesn't mean much of anything. It was, simply speaking, no where near the national level pastime it is today.

While there were certainly unwed mothers, it wasn't the case that roughly half of our children were being born to unwed mothers every year, with a substantial quantity of those women never getting married or really settling down.

While pornography existed, it didn't absolutely dominate the lives the young men as it does today. A man in his twenties masturbating himself to the point of impotence would have seemed like a joke in past decades. Today, it is a commonly cited problem.

While prostitution may have existed, it wasn't the case that every young woman was basically expected to behave as a "pro-bono" prostitute as today's "hook up culture" tends to promote as being its theoretical ideal.

Things have changed, and not for the better.

So?? Shacking up together, and having kids is just not bowing down to the Christian ethic, which I see nothign wrong with. So what?
 
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A revolution, you say?

Damn. ....and right when I was getting to old to be revolting, too.

You can never be too old to be revolting.

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You can never be too old to be revolting.

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Where did you get the picture from my senior prom, anyway?
 
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So?? Shacking up together, and having kids is just not bowing down to the Christian ethic, which I see nothign wrong with. So what?

More than 50% of single mothers live around or under the poverty line, and roughly the same number are dependent on at least some form of government assistance to get by.

They are the single most impoverished demographic in the modern United States. There is also evidence to suggest that the children of single mothers are less likely to rise out of poverty than their peers born into more traditional households as well.

By every metric available, the old model was, and continues to be, superior.
 
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More than 50% of single mothers live around or under the poverty line, and roughly the same number are dependent on at least some form of government assistance to get by.

They are the single most impoverished demographic in the modern United States. There is also evidence to suggest that the children of single mothers are less likely to rise out of poverty than their peers born into more traditional households as well.

By every metric available, the old model was, and continues to be, superior.


Yet, when you take a look at people looking in poverty, the percentage has actually dropped since 1966 for every category, but single men with children.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p60-248.pdf

I will point out these figures from the government disagree with your claim. Here is a legitiment source that show you are .. well wrong.
 
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So?? Shacking up together, and having kids is just not bowing down to the Christian ethic, which I see nothign wrong with. So what?

Yep. My significant other was married, it was a disaster for her, if we get to the point in our relationship where we want to be together every day, we will live together. We are both adults, 51 years old, what is great is that all the BS of relationships in our youth is tossed out the window. We are together, we have fun, we do what we want, no guilt, no shame, no baloney.
 
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Yet, when you take a look at people looking in poverty, the percentage has actually dropped since 1966 for every category, but single men with children.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p60-248.pdf

I will point out these figures from the government disagree with your claim. Here is a legitiment source that show you are .. well wrong.

Ummm... Hello?

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According to your own source (page 7), single mothers are still the poorest demographic out there, living in "near poverty" conditions in more than 70% of all cases.

https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/

Almost 40% of single mothers live below the poverty line, and 45% receive food stamps or other forms of government assistance. Only half work full time, with a quarter being jobless.

Hate to break it you, but life as a single mother pretty much blows. :shrug:
 
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Ummm... Hello?

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According to your own source (page 7), single mothers are still the poorest demographic out there, living in "near poverty" conditions in more than 70% of all cases.

https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/

Almost 40% of single mothers live below the poverty line, and 45% receive food stamps or other forms of government assistance. Only half work full time, with a quarter being jobless.

Hate to break it you, but life as a single mother pretty much blows. :shrug:


Yes, it's the poorest, but 8% is not 50%. And, as for food stamps, that is not because of 'shacking up'> That is because we are subsidizing corporations that are not paying their workers a living wage.

And, what you failed to notice or read, from 1966 to 2012, the percentage DROPPED. If the whole 'sexual revolution' was what is causing the issue, that percentage would have risen
 
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Yes, it's the poorest, but 8% is not 50%.

It's 80%, not 8%. The graph wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Do you really think only 3% of married couples live in near poverty conditions? :roll:

What world have you been living in?

And, as for food stamps, that is not because of 'shacking up'> That is because we are subsidizing corporations that are not paying their workers a living wage.

No, it's because single parent households lack dual incomes. They sometimes lack even reliable single incomes, due to mothers not being able to take that much time away from their children. Believe it or not, having a partner tends to help out quite a bit where child rearing and maintaining a financially stable family unit is concerned.

"Shacking up" is problematic in this regard, as such relationships basically never last. Increasingly in the modern era, they're not even meant to.

Guys stick around long enough to knock women up, and then move on.

And, what you failed to notice or read, from 1966 to 2012, the percentage DROPPED. If the whole 'sexual revolution' was what is causing the issue, that percentage would have risen

No, not in the slightest.

A) This logic is idiotic to begin with, because there are roughly 100 times more single mothers in the United States today than there were in the 1960s. As opposed to the couple of hundred thousand single mothers living in impoverished, or near impoverished, conditions we had in the 1960s, today, we have tens of millions. That's hardly an improvement.

B) A shift from 80% to 75% over the course of 50 years is hardly anything to celebrate over.
 
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It's 80%, not 8%. The graph wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Do you really think only 3% - 4% of married couples live in near poverty conditions? :roll:

What world have you been living in?



No, it's because single parent households lack dual incomes. They sometimes lack even reliable single incomes, due to mothers not being able to take that much time away from their children. Believe it or not, having a partner tends to help out quite a bit where children rearing and maintaining a financially stable family unit is concerned.

"Shacking up" is problematic where this is concerned, as such relationships basically never last. Increasingly in the modern era, they're not even meant to.

Guys stick around long enough to knock women up, and then move on.



No, not in the slightest.

A) This logic is idiotic to begin with, because there are roughly 100 times more single mothers in the United States today than there were in the 1960s. As opposed to the couple of hundred thousand single mothers living in impoverished, or near impoverished, conditions we had in the 1960s, today, we have tens of millions. That's hardly an improvement.

B) A shift from 80% to 75% over the course of 50 years is hardly anything to celebrate over.

Back in the 1960's, a minimum wage person could support a wife, 2 kids, and an apartment working 40 hours a week.
 
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Back in the 1960's, a minimum wage person could support a wife, 2 kids, and an apartment working 40 hours a week.

Cry me a river. :roll:

That business model was never sustainable, hence why it didn't survive.

Either way, none of that makes the modern trend away from two person parenting any less idiotic. If it weren't for the influence of modern culture pushing sub-optimal lifestyles, these problems would be significantly less pronounced.

Now, because people refuse to behave as they should, they want government to bail them out and protect them from the consequences of their own stupidity. I'm sorry, but they really don't have a right to expect that.
 
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Cry me a river. :roll:

That business model was never sustainable, hence why it didn't survive.

Either way, none of that makes the modern trend away from two person parenting any less idiotic. If it weren't for the influence of modern culture pushing sub-optimal lifestyles, these problems would be significantly less pronounced.

Now, because people refuse to behave as they should, they want government to bail them out and protect them from the consequences of their own stupidity. I'm sorry, but they really don't have right to expect that.

Funny how it survives in most of the rest of the western world.

I am sorry, but swallowing the 1% milton freemen free market economy nonsense is jsut plain stupid.

It used to be that a single guy, workign 40 hours a week ,, even at miniumim wage , could have their own apartment, and live comfortably in the U.S. Now, you get idiots living in their parent's basement in their late 20's because they can't figure that out.
 
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Funny how it survives in most of the rest of the western world.

With double digit unemployment rates, slow to no growth economies, and overburdened welfare states teetering on the edge of collapse, you mean? :roll:

Again, we moved away from that model for a reason. In point of fact, our moving away from that model is a large part of the reason those other nations are able to sustain it. Their economic fortunes are heavily tied to our own.

The new model has its own share of problems to be sure. However, boo-hooing over the past isn't going to change anything.

I am sorry, but swallowing the 1% milton freemen free market economy nonsense is jsut plain stupid.

It used to be that a single guy, workign 40 hours a week ,, even at miniumim wage , could have their own apartment, and live comfortably in the U.S. Now, you get idiots living in their parent's basement in their late 20's because they can't figure that out.

And again, any of this makes the modern inclination towards "shacking up," and popping out a couple of kids neither party in a given relationship can afford individually, before splitting up again, a less objectively awful idea... How, exactly?
 
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Extreme societal disapproval and suppression have 'extreme' influences on people. In era's past, many people didnt dare even explore their own feelings and desires. They just acted in socially acceptable manners...it was a matter of survival in many cases. To be otherwise was to be stoned, exiled, having no opportunities to support one's family, being kicked out of one's family, etc etc etc. If they had 'other thoughts', religion and society *told* them that they were evil, unclean, abominations, abnormal, etc. And they believed it.

Hence, for example, so many willing entrants into the Catholic priesthood.
 
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NOT at a 30% rate. And those species where we do find homosexuality we also find humping trees and any old hole in the same small percentage.

Wrong. There are sheep that 10% of the population of rams only has sex with other rams. There are birds that mate with only others of the same sex. Despite your assertions, these species are not "doing it in any hole".
 
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Is it a revolution when the Kinsey scale originated in the 40s?

Around 11% of men were found to be half hetero, half homo. In terms of hooking up, 50% of married men and 25% of married women had at least one affair.
 
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Yup. We're basically smack-dab in the middle of "Sexual/Cultural Revolution 2.0." You'd have to be either blind or in outright denial to miss it at this point.

If history started in the 20th century, you'd be correct. As it is, move the decimal point to get sexual cultural revolution 2000.0 or so and you'd be more accurate. Sexual attitudes have changed and morphed too many times to count over the course of human history. Everything from pedophilia to prostitution to polygamy has been considered the 'cultural norm' at various times in history. We're still here, and we don't owe our existence to the nuclear family.
 
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Yup. We're basically smack-dab in the middle of "Sexual/Cultural Revolution 2.0." You'd have to be either blind or in outright denial to miss it at this point.

Following on the same track that was started in the 1960s, the "hook up culture" and popular youth attitudes in general are currently doing everything in their power to try and kill any notion of sexual morality or personal decorum our culture ever had in favor of lazy, undisciplined, unfettered hedonism. Meanwhile, feminism and other various forms of Sociocultural Marxism essentially attempt to strangle any coherent notion of masculinity or femininity into irrelevancy, and marriage and the family unit writhe in their death throes on the altar of general cultural apathy in background.

As all of these trends have continued to increase in severity, so too have the social ills they inevitably bring about. State dependent single motherhood has shot through the roof, new and variously difficult to treat breeds of STIs are being discovered daily and sapping funds which could be better spent elsewhere, and new and ever more draconian laws are being put in place to regulate the various ways in which wildly promiscuous and often intoxicated persons tend to get in trouble with one another. Due to feminist influence, those laws tend to be overwhelmingly anti-male in both design and intent. All the while, birthrates continue to sink as more and more people - women in particular - flat out refuse to reproduce, economic stability and mobility continues to suffer as a result of fewer stable families producing fewer productive members of society, and the welfare "nanny state" continues to accumulate more and more power and responsibility that it cannot possibly hope to sustain on any long term basis in a futile effort to counteract the damage.

The only truly "new" thing about it is how all of this LGBT nonsense seems to have taken center stage. While this movement claims to be about "rights," it seems fairly clear that its ultimate goal is aimed more towards tearing down the line between heterosexuality and homosexuality, in favor of putting up some sort of Neo-Greek/Libertine "pansexual" default state of being in its place.

Next stop, "Brave New World." :roll:

It's called progress, removing the shackles. Technology has made it possible and inevitable. Only a few points i agree with, such as the increasingly blurred standard of "consent" and burden of proof on the accused at colleges, but that pendulum is also thanks to lawsuits starting to swing back. But then you go and ruin any chance at sympathy and nuanced debate with dismissive bigotry like "LGBT nonsense."

It's about time you realized that if there were any such agenda and if such a thing were possible, all of the increase wouldn't lie in the "mostly heterosexual" category, as this graph shows. If sexuality is on a spectrum, guess what, it's always been that way and the only difference is that about, what, 8% of teenagers acknowledge they have some homosexual feelings too. Big deal! Doesn't mean they'll all act on them, and i don't see you throwing a fit at the idea that some "mostly homosexual" teenagers might experiment with the opposite sex. Where's the uproar over that? And seriously, blaming a population decline or single parents on the small % that is lgbt is typical worthless scapegoating

Maybe you should ask yourself why it is that divorce is going up. Might it be that humans aren't really meant to be monogamous, that monogamy is what's unnatural? Perhaps some of the very social problems you lament, like single moms, will be solved by the very technological changes you fear, like "morning after" and long-term birth control. Why will they? Because it's what people WANT. They don't want kids any more, a shift far beyond what the small segment that is liberal, or more accurately nihilist, could ever hope to achieve. That isn't a sexual revolution, as the same amount of sex can result in fewer kids, or for that matter more absent fathers than 1960.

No, people are self centered and think of themselves above the species or their "white culture" (as you put it) far more than you like to admit. Kids are expensive, exhausting, and now they can be avoided more easily
 
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It's called progress, removing the shackles.

By this logic, the modern obesity epidemic is "progress" as well.

People have stopped starving to death, simply so they can start eating themselves to death instead.

Technology can do a great many wonderful things. (Barring the possibility of mass behavioral modification, which would have some rather troubling implications in and of itself) however, it cannot make up for the basic short-comings of human nature in and of itself. That requires good old fashion discipline - discipline which our present society sorely lacks, and tends to resent even being suggested.

It's about time you realized that if there were any such agenda and if such a thing were possible, all of the increase wouldn't lie in the "mostly heterosexual" category, as this graph shows. If sexuality is on a spectrum, guess what, it's always been that way and the only difference is that about, what, 8% of teenagers acknowledge they have some homosexual feelings too. Big deal! Doesn't mean they'll all act on them, and i don't see you throwing a fit at the idea that some "mostly homosexual" teenagers might experiment with the opposite sex. Where's the uproar over that?

As you people are so fond of pointing out, behavior, and orientation, are not the same thing. If bisexuality is increasingly being pushed as being "trendy" or otherwise socially desirable, it's not at all out of the question to suggest that its prevalence might sky-rocket regardless of the general population's actual sexual leanings.

The idea of a "sexual spectrum" is frankly a lot of largely irrelevant pap anyway for that exact reason. As I pointed out in another thread, primitive (hunter-gatherer) human societies, with only a small number of isolated, largely ritualized, exceptions limited to a few specific tribes, tend to have basically no homosexuality or bisexuality. It's so rare that most of the people living in them don't even know what Western researchers are talking about when they raise the subject.

If these societies have such a "spectrum," it's clearly not having much of an impact.

By the same token, even if someone is "1%-10% homosexual" in their orientation in today's society, there's really no particularly pressing reason why they should ever indulge it. The odds are that it's so deeply buried that they would have to go deliberately out of their way to even try.

That's exactly what modern culture is attempting to do more and more. It's trying to nudge people towards expressing behaviors which likely never would have even occurred to them in the first place otherwise. It is doing so towards no productive end other than self-indulgent hedonism.

Maybe you should ask yourself why it is that divorce is going up. Might it be that humans aren't really meant to be monogamous, that monogamy is what's unnatural?

Somehow, the human race managed to make it work for the centuries and millennia proceeding the 20th Century. Through the stability and productive center it provided, we built the modern world. If that's "unnatural," by all means, sign me up for more of it.

Monogamy is, simply speaking, a sign of civilization triumphing over barbarism. It should be embraced as such.

Is running 4 miles on a treadmill strictly "natural?" Is hefting an iron bar weighing in excess of 200 lbs over your chest over and over again "natural?" Is formalized education, or even reading the written word "natural?"

In all cases, the answer is "no." That does not, however, mean that they all aren't objectively good for you.

Why will they? Because it's what people WANT. They don't want kids any more, a shift far beyond what the small segment that is liberal, or more accurately nihilist, could ever hope to achieve. That isn't a sexual revolution, as the same amount of sex can result in fewer kids, or for that matter more absent fathers than 1960.

No, people are self centered and think of themselves above the species or their "white culture" (as you put it) far more than you like to admit. Kids are expensive, exhausting, and now they can be avoided more easily

Which is kind of exactly why this modern trend towards unfettered nihilistic libertinism is, and always has been, doomed from the very start.

Human beings are freaking morons. :lol:

They're cavemen, still working off of caveman instincts. Those instincts are largely obsolete, if not outright counterproductive, in the modern world. As such, telling that caveman to basically "go wild" tends to result in absolutely nothing productive.

Certain "shackles" exist for very good reason, I'm afraid.
 
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Extreme societal disapproval and suppression have 'extreme' influences on people. In era's past, many people didnt dare even explore their own feelings and desires. They just acted in socially acceptable manners...it was a matter of survival in many cases. To be otherwise was to be stoned, exiled, having no opportunities to support one's family, being kicked out of one's family, etc etc etc. If they had 'other thoughts', religion and society *told* them that they were evil, unclean, abominations, abnormal, etc. And they believed it.

Hence, for example, so many willing entrants into the Catholic priesthood.

Excellent perspective.
 
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All this means is that through the hard work of people desperate to be proclaimed 'normal' in spite of deviant lifestyle choices, people are more ****ed up and confused than at any time in human history.
 
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All this means is that through the hard work of people desperate to be proclaimed 'normal' in spite of deviant lifestyle choices, people are more ****ed up and confused than at any time in human history.

It is their normal and no one else can 'catch' it. It harms no one else and it affects no one else unless they cannot get over their own personal issues with it. Why other people choose to dwell on the sexual habits of consenting adults, esp. those they claim disgust them, is a very interesting question....dont you think?
 
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It is their normal and no one else can 'catch' it. It harms no one else and it affects no one else unless they cannot get over their own personal issues with it. Why other people choose to dwell on the sexual habits of consenting adults, esp. those they claim disgust them, is a very interesting question....dont you think?

I am uninterested in your sexual choices. Feel free. It's not me that brings up the topic constantly. It's those clamoring for normalcy. And in the process you have created generations of people so ****ed up they can even use the words boy or girl without being accused of being bigoted towards some inane ridiculous pathetic special interest group. People are so 'free' and 'enlightened' they are mutilating their bodies to remove or to the best of their ability alter a gender identity.

You are doing ****ing fantastic. Carry on.
 
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I am uninterested in your sexual choices. Feel free. It's not me that brings up the topic constantly. It's those clamoring for normalcy. And in the process you have created generations of people so ****ed up they can even use the words boy or girl without being accused of being bigoted towards some inane ridiculous pathetic special interest group. People are so 'free' and 'enlightened' they are mutilating their bodies to remove or to the best of their ability alter a gender identity.

You are doing ****ing fantastic. Carry on.

Maybe the rigidity of the feelings and libidos and orientations of those 2 genders is what was false all this time. People arent 'changing'. They are, in our society, being less maligned for being *who they are* and thus there is a cycle of people becoming more comfortable in their own skins, being less repressed by society, and more accepted by society. Because really....do you have any examples of harm being done to society? Or just some people's comfortable, less tolerant, rigid, traditional, etc etc perceptions of the world are being changed against their will? If they would stop making so much noise, then the transitions would also be less of a media circus.
 
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Maybe the rigidity of the feelings and libidos and orientations of those 2 genders is what was false all this time. People arent 'changing'. They are, in our society, being less maligned for being *who they are* and thus there is a cycle of people becoming more comfortable in their own skins, being less repressed by society, and more accepted by society. Because really....do you have any examples of harm being done to society? Or just some people's comfortable, less tolerant, rigid, traditional, etc etc perceptions of the world are being changed against their will? If they would stop making so much noise, then the transitions would also be less of a media circus.

We have a steady march to chemical dependency, suicide, and an ever increasing number of special category gender confused individuals. No...I dont think there is anything that could demonstrate and convince you what reality has failed to achieve.

But again...carry on.
 
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