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The "Gay Agenda"[W:504]

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Zyphlin said:
To those who typically warn of a "gay/homosexual agenda": Is this what you mean by the term? The idea of a systematic and wide spread push by government, the media, and/or pockets of society to instill a moral belief throughout our culture?

To those who believe there is no "gay/homosexual agenda": How do you figure? How do you square a notion that it's simply about constitutional rights in relation to other things pushed by the movement/suppoters of the movement that have nothing to do, or tangental at best, to constitutional rights?
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I have only read the first 10 comments and the last 10 comments from this thread so please forgive me if I address something that has already been covered.

From my observation, when people (like Rush Limbaugh) talk about the "gay agenda" they use the phrase pejoratively to describe a specific set of actions which they conclude is destroying the long ascribed moral fabric of America as viewed from the conservative religious right. We have all seen the proclamations and prognostications about how the world is going to end now that homosexuals can get married in all 50 states. We have all read the self righteous "I told you so" from the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who frequently point to natural disasters as God's retribution for homosexual tolerance. I suspect that most people who ascribe to the "gay agenda" conspiracy lean more towards the Limbaugh approach than the latter but I could be wrong. They point to Hollywood and Academia as a prime example of evidence to support the theory that the agenda exists. Ellen Degeneres and films like Cold Mountain come to mind. Educational programs, like Best Practices adopted by various school districts also reinforce their belief that the agenda is an organized government funded program to push a moral view upon us which is anathema to their own personal beliefs. In many ways it does seem like a coordinated effort by many interested parties to change the shape of the collective point of view into a more inclusive environment for all of us.

I believe there is an agenda but it is not monolithic. It is most definitely a civil rights movement and one that needs all the support it can get. Calling it an agenda is just a way to make it sound as sinister as they think it is for everyone to have equal rights. I take comfort in the fact that the people who are against equal rights are being pushed further away from the middle and closer to the fringes. Their moral authority is being marginalized. I see that as a good thing in this specific case.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I think many would like not to be risk being beaten up, fired, tossed out of their apartment, or being denied seeing their partner in the hospital , merely because they are gay.
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yet they do exactly that to those they label " homophobic ", and feel justified and sleep just fine that night, too.

the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality.

They are winning. Everyone is afraid and scared to death of the LBGT Nazis.

They need to be careful. FEAR leads otherwise rational people to do irrational things.

My friend, Mike is beaten to a pulp for refusing the advances of a gay guy when he was performing with his band. The told the guy three times he was NOT gay and NOT interested. The fourth time he screamed at the guy to leave him alone. They guy left.

later as he was going to his car to leave and the rest of the band had gone, he was jumped by the guy and two of his friends and beaten to a pulp.

I convinced Mike to not go to the police or say anything public about it. That would make it open season on any gays in Wilmington.

Justice was metted out privately with no fanfare.
 
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RetiredNSmilin said:
yet they do exactly that to those they label " homophobic ", and feel justified and sleep just fine that night, too.

the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality.

They are winning. Everyone is afraid and scared to death of the LBGT Nazis.
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Hyperbolic bull****. Are you being sarcastic?

They need to be careful. FEAR leads otherwise rational people to do irrational things.
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That almost sounds like a general threat. The only thing that causes some narrow minded people to fear the LGBT community is when other people convince them that "the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality." then provide anecdotes like;

My friend, Mike is beaten to a pulp for refusing the advances of a gay guy when he was performing with his band. The told the guy three times he was NOT gay and NOT interested. The fourth time he screamed at the guy to leave him alone. They guy left.

later as he was going to his car to leave and the rest of the band had gone, he was jumped by the guy and two of his friends and beaten to a pulp.
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But that's not even the worst part. The worst part is offering the solution to the problem;

I convinced Mike to not go to the police or say anything public about it.
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Then justifying vigilantism by explaining that it's for "their protection" because filing a police report, well;

That would make it open season on any gays in Wilmington.
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Because "Everybody" is scared to death and sick and tired of getting beat up by them.

Nothing about your post makes any sense at all.

Justice was metted out privately with no fanfare.
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That is not justice, that's revenge.
 
Mr. Blackwell said:
Hyperbolic bull****. Are you being sarcastic?



That almost sounds like a general threat. The only thing that causes some narrow minded people to fear the LGBT community is when other people convince them that "the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality." then provide anecdotes like;



But that's not even the worst part. The worst part is offering the solution to the problem;



Then justifying vigilantism by explaining that it's for "their protection" because filing a police report, well;



Because "Everybody" is scared to death and sick and tired of getting beat up by them.

Nothing about your post makes any sense at all.



That is not justice, that's revenge.
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OK, It makes no sense to you at all. Fine.

I did not make the post seeking anyone's "approval". I simply made it to explain one particular incident involving LBGT Nazis. They DO exist, and LOVE hurting "breeders". Either by getting them fired, direct assault, or any other means of hurting them. They do not seek acceptance. They seek DOMINATION.

" We are STRAIGHT, and the matter is not up for DEBATE"

Not everyone thinks like you do. At least that is a fact I understood long ago, yet some still have not learned it even today.

The INtolerance of the "tolerant" crowd.

SIDE NOTE: It was also members of the local gay community that helped track down and identify this criminal. Evidently he enjoyed the "prison rape" scenario very much. One person's revenge is another person's justice. Anyway you call it, the issue was settled, and justice was served.
 
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RetiredNSmilin said:
I did not make the post seeking anyone's "approval". I simply made it to explain one particular incident involving LBGT Nazis. They DO exist, and LOVE hurting "breeders". .
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I'm fairly certain there is more to your story than you are revealing if it is not just made up BS.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm fairly certain there is more to your story than you are revealing if it is not just made up BS.
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Yes, there is much, much more, but there are some that are waaay too sensitive to hear it, so I will remain silent.

I would not be believed anyway. It dashes stereo types on both sides of the issue, and we can't have that, now can we.

Everyone MUST fit into their predetermined behavior box that has a big prewritten label on it that everyone must wear.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Yes, there is much, much more, but there are some that are waaay too sensitive to hear it, so I will remain silent.

I would not be believed anyway. It dashes stereo types on both sides of the issue, and we can't have that, now can we.
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What stereotype? That gay males are all effeminate nelly queens? Well those of us that actually have gay friends already know better than that. And even if your story true it is fairly certain there's more to it than you are revealing considering your posting history of extreme bias against gays.
 
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winston53660 said:
What stereotype? That gay males are all effeminate nelly queens? Well those of us that actually have gay friends already know better than that. And even if your story true I it is fairly certain there's more to it than you are reveling considering your posting history of extreme bias against gays.
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I already said there is much, much more to what happened than what I posted. This makes twice now.

You are one of those who is way, way, too sensitive to hear the rest of it.

You have already put words in my mouth that I did not say. That tells me there is no way you will acknowledge the truth of what happened.

It will go against your preconceived stereo-types that you refuse to let me explain.

Your mind is closed to anything contrary to what you have already built up.

Evidenced by the fact I had to repeat the very same thing to you twice now. You did not get it the first time.

...and you ALREADY have me stereo-typed anyway, so why pop your delicate preconceived bubble with real world facts of what happened that you cannot and refuse to accept..
 
so, please go ahead and called me a "homophobe", put me in your prelabeled box, and file me away.

You have already made up your mind.

The fact that a violent criminal predator was removed from society that preyed on gays and straights will only confuse your already made up mind about me being a homophobe....right? We can't have that. It does not fit into the prelabeled box.

I am actually jealous. I wish I could live in your simple black & white, wrong & right, gay or homophobe world. It seems so simple.

See a few posts, slap on a label, and move on. How simple and efficient.
 
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RetiredNSmilin said:
yet they do exactly that to those they label " homophobic ", and feel justified and sleep just fine that night, too.

the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality.

They are winning. Everyone is afraid and scared to death of the LBGT Nazis.

They need to be careful. FEAR leads otherwise rational people to do irrational things.

My friend, Mike is beaten to a pulp for refusing the advances of a gay guy when he was performing with his band. The told the guy three times he was NOT gay and NOT interested. The fourth time he screamed at the guy to leave him alone. They guy left.

later as he was going to his car to leave and the rest of the band had gone, he was jumped by the guy and two of his friends and beaten to a pulp.

I convinced Mike to not go to the police or say anything public about it. That would make it open season on any gays in Wilmington.

Justice was metted out privately with no fanfare.
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Yeah ok, this is just lies and slander

Nazi ****
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
so, please go ahead and called me a "homophobe", put me in your prelabeled box, and file me away.

You have already made up your mind.

The fact that a violent criminal predator was removed from society that preyed on gays and straights will only confuse your already made up mind about me being a homophobe....right? We can't have that. It does not fit into the prelabeled box.
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no we'll just put you on ignore

go back to the mississippi shanty you crawled out of and stop leeching wifi from mcdonalds to post your worthless cowardly hate speech
 
Mr. Blackwell said:
Educational programs, like Best Practices adopted by various school districts also reinforce their belief that the agenda is an organized government funded program to push a moral view upon us which is anathema to their own personal beliefs. In many ways it does seem like a coordinated effort by many interested parties to change the shape of the collective point of view into a more inclusive environment for all of us.
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This is what drives me up the wall, that trying to protect children, that *someone* standing up for the gay kids, a group with *4 times* the suicide rate, is somehow an "agenda" more nefarious than the elected officials, religious leaders, parents and bullies who drive those kids to suicide

Obviously i don't see tolerance programs in K-12 as in any way validating the complaints of neanderthal homophobes
 
Im pretty sure the next issue on the "Gay agenda" is making it illegal to fire them simply b/c they are gay. Considering they can still be fired for such in a lot of states seems the next natural progression of it no?
 
Untamedrose said:
Im pretty sure the next issue on the "Gay agenda" is making it illegal to fire them simply b/c they are gay. Considering they can still be fired for such in a lot of states seems the next natural progression of it no?
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I would not object to that issue being part of the gay agenda. I'd probably support it.
 
chromium said:
This is what drives me up the wall, that trying to protect children, that *someone* standing up for the gay kids, a group with *4 times* the suicide rate, is somehow an "agenda" more nefarious than the elected officials, religious leaders, parents and bullies who drive those kids to suicide

Obviously i don't see tolerance programs in K-12 as in any way validating the complaints of neanderthal homophobes
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Gays commit suicide; it's straight people's fault. Sounds like textbook gay agenda nonsense to me.
 
chromium said:
no we'll just put you on ignore

go back to the mississippi shanty you crawled out of and stop leeching wifi from mcdonalds to post your worthless cowardly hate speech
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your post is a typical example of the stereo-typing I was talking about.

in addition to violating ROE's

you guys love putting people in those prelabeled boxes all the time. This is just another very CLASSIC EXAMPLE.

I am sure you have hundreds of empty prelabeled boxes just waiting for you to stuff people into that do not think EXACTLY like you do.
 
Mr. Blackwell said:
I have only read the first 10 comments and the last 10 comments from this thread so please forgive me if I address something that has already been covered.

From my observation, when people (like Rush Limbaugh) talk about the "gay agenda" they use the phrase pejoratively to describe a specific set of actions which they conclude is destroying the long ascribed moral fabric of America as viewed from the conservative religious right. We have all seen the proclamations and prognostications about how the world is going to end now that homosexuals can get married in all 50 states. We have all read the self righteous "I told you so" from the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who frequently point to natural disasters as God's retribution for homosexual tolerance. I suspect that most people who ascribe to the "gay agenda" conspiracy lean more towards the Limbaugh approach than the latter but I could be wrong. They point to Hollywood and Academia as a prime example of evidence to support the theory that the agenda exists. Ellen Degeneres and films like Cold Mountain come to mind. Educational programs, like Best Practices adopted by various school districts also reinforce their belief that the agenda is an organized government funded program to push a moral view upon us which is anathema to their own personal beliefs. In many ways it does seem like a coordinated effort by many interested parties to change the shape of the collective point of view into a more inclusive environment for all of us.

I believe there is an agenda but it is not monolithic. It is most definitely a civil rights movement and one that needs all the support it can get. Calling it an agenda is just a way to make it sound as sinister as they think it is for everyone to have equal rights. I take comfort in the fact that the people who are against equal rights are being pushed further away from the middle and closer to the fringes. Their moral authority is being marginalized. I see that as a good thing in this specific case.
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I do not see anything sinister in the generic term "agenda." However, as we see in this thread there are both innocuous political issues on the agenda and a few sinister ones as well.

A good case in point, IMO, is seen in my previous two posts. In one, I agree the agenda defending gays from being fired is an appropriate goal and worthy cause. In the other, this agenda of blaming straights for every gay person's suicide is not.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
yet they do exactly that to those they label " homophobic ", and feel justified and sleep just fine that night, too.

the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality.

They are winning. Everyone is afraid and scared to death of the LBGT Nazis.

They need to be careful. FEAR leads otherwise rational people to do irrational things.

My friend, Mike is beaten to a pulp for refusing the advances of a gay guy when he was performing with his band. The told the guy three times he was NOT gay and NOT interested. The fourth time he screamed at the guy to leave him alone. They guy left.

later as he was going to his car to leave and the rest of the band had gone, he was jumped by the guy and two of his friends and beaten to a pulp.

I convinced Mike to not go to the police or say anything public about it. That would make it open season on any gays in Wilmington.

Justice was metted out privately with no fanfare.
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I love the last two lines... :lol:
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
yet they do exactly that to those they label " homophobic ", and feel justified and sleep just fine that night, too.

the LBGT Nazis are out in force and looking for any excuse to destroy " breeder's " lives in their pursuit to domination, NOT equality.

They are winning. Everyone is afraid and scared to death of the LBGT Nazis.

They need to be careful. FEAR leads otherwise rational people to do irrational things.

My friend, Mike is beaten to a pulp for refusing the advances of a gay guy when he was performing with his band. The told the guy three times he was NOT gay and NOT interested. The fourth time he screamed at the guy to leave him alone. They guy left.

later as he was going to his car to leave and the rest of the band had gone, he was jumped by the guy and two of his friends and beaten to a pulp.

I convinced Mike to not go to the police or say anything public about it. That would make it open season on any gays in Wilmington.

Justice was metted out privately with no fanfare.
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Funny that. I have a gay friend that is trying to set me up with this girl I think is cute.
 
Paschendale said:
Heterosexuals are not blamed for gay teens being driven to kill themselves. Bigots and bullies are.
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It's always someone else's fault with you leftists. Isn't it? We can't ever blame the person who actually killed themselves for being weak minded and of low character. Heaven forbid.
 
calamity said:
It's always someone else's fault with you leftists. Isn't it? We can't ever blame the person who actually killed themselves for being weak minded and of low character. Heaven forbid.
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If that were the case, we would. But most often, they aren't weak minded or a low character. They're decent people being made to feel miserable and alone because of weak minded people of low character. That describes the bigots and the bullies, not their victims.
 
Paschendale said:
If that were the case, we would. But most often, they aren't weak minded or a low character. They're decent people being made to feel miserable and alone because of weak minded people of low character. That describes the bigots and the bullies, not their victims.
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IMO, those committing suicide are weak and of poor character. It's not other people's fault. It's theirs.
 
calamity said:
IMO, those committing suicide are weak and of poor character. It's not other people's fault. It's theirs.
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You should try to learn about situations before forming opinions about them. You'd have more accurate opinions, then.
 
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