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The recent issue with Jenner has caused my mind to swirl with a lot of different thoughts. In a broad sense, about the general hypocrisy that seems to abound with it (topic for another thread)....but specific to this, regarding a notion of the "gay/homosexual agenda".
For the years I've been on this board I've seen the notion thrown out often in various threads. Typically from some highly religious and/or highly right wing person screaming it as some kind of clarion call to stand against some kind of "evil" or "immorality". These types of claims also tend to generate a typical response often from the left, largely mocking the notion of such an "Agenda" with my memory recalling individuals in the past claiming these is no such thing. That they are simply looking for their "rights".
I've generally never really gave it much of a thought. I don't think Gay people are some grand threat to the union or some great beast that must be beat back.
However, over the past few weeks with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, it's become apparent...there most definitely is a "homosexual agenda".
The "LGBT rights movement" is absolutely not just about "rights" in this country. Not at all. And the recent instances with Jenner are a primary example of this. All the talk over these past months, and over this recent cover photo, isn't primarily focused about whether he/she has a "right" to do this. Rather, its attempting to suggest that it should be viewed as "moral". That society should view it as "normal". That she should be considered a "hero". That no one should be "bothered" by it.
Those are not talking about "rights". Those are also not instances looking simply for "tolerance". This is an active and purposeful attempt to mold and alter shared societal mindset on this issue in the direction the LGBT community and it's supporters feels is "correct". This is an active and purposeful attempt to alter the shared morality that binds the culture within the United States in the direction they feel is morally "correct" or "good".
That is exactly what most of those that for years have been screaming about the "gay agenda" have been talking about; and the exact thing I've seen so often dismissed as somehow non-existant.
There's three general ways we as a soceity could be looking at the LGBT community and things surrounding it...
1. We could put focus on it, showing digust, disdain, and/or disapproval.
2. We could put focus on it, showing support, adulation, and praise.
3. We could simply not focus on it in any real fashion at all.
For many years in this country, undoubtably option 1 was how it was often treated. And I'd dare say now, such action is what's incompassed when people talk about the "homophobic/transphobic".
But just as people are always very apt to label those of group 1....I don't really see how group 2 can't or shouldn't be labeled as something like the "gay agenda". Like option one, it is attempting to forcefully inject it's moral views regarding the issue into the population in an attempt and desire for their view to spread across the culture to become the default view.
This is not to say that somehow the "gay agenda" is bad. This post is offering no such evaluation of the "worth" of the views amongst anyone on any side of this. And undoubtably, people who hold options 1 or 2 as their own views likely feel that their particular view is the actual "correct" one. What this thread is more doing is simply exploring this concept I've heard over the years that somehow the notion of "the gay agenda" is a laughable, non-sensical, non-existing thing.
It's absolutely and abundantly clear to me, following everything with Jenner, that there is a large segment of the population that unquestionably is looking to push a MORAL...not simply constitutional...agenda when it comes to the LGBT community; which is the very notion being expressed by the notion of the "gay agenda". Whether said agenda is right or wrong is an entirely different debate....but going forward, I'm firmly of the mind that said agenda exists.
So since this was mostly me rambling rather than really making any kind of coherent question or topic, I guess I'll finish with a question.
To those who typically warn of a "gay/homosexual agenda": Is this what you mean by the term? The idea of a systematic and wide spread push by government, the media, and/or pockets of society to instill a moral belief throughout our culture?
To those who believe there is no "gay/homosexual agenda": How do you figure? How do you square a notion that it's simply about constitutional rights in relation to other things pushed by the movement/suppoters of the movement that have nothing to do, or tangental at best, to constitutional rights?
For the years I've been on this board I've seen the notion thrown out often in various threads. Typically from some highly religious and/or highly right wing person screaming it as some kind of clarion call to stand against some kind of "evil" or "immorality". These types of claims also tend to generate a typical response often from the left, largely mocking the notion of such an "Agenda" with my memory recalling individuals in the past claiming these is no such thing. That they are simply looking for their "rights".
I've generally never really gave it much of a thought. I don't think Gay people are some grand threat to the union or some great beast that must be beat back.
However, over the past few weeks with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, it's become apparent...there most definitely is a "homosexual agenda".
The "LGBT rights movement" is absolutely not just about "rights" in this country. Not at all. And the recent instances with Jenner are a primary example of this. All the talk over these past months, and over this recent cover photo, isn't primarily focused about whether he/she has a "right" to do this. Rather, its attempting to suggest that it should be viewed as "moral". That society should view it as "normal". That she should be considered a "hero". That no one should be "bothered" by it.
Those are not talking about "rights". Those are also not instances looking simply for "tolerance". This is an active and purposeful attempt to mold and alter shared societal mindset on this issue in the direction the LGBT community and it's supporters feels is "correct". This is an active and purposeful attempt to alter the shared morality that binds the culture within the United States in the direction they feel is morally "correct" or "good".
That is exactly what most of those that for years have been screaming about the "gay agenda" have been talking about; and the exact thing I've seen so often dismissed as somehow non-existant.
There's three general ways we as a soceity could be looking at the LGBT community and things surrounding it...
1. We could put focus on it, showing digust, disdain, and/or disapproval.
2. We could put focus on it, showing support, adulation, and praise.
3. We could simply not focus on it in any real fashion at all.
For many years in this country, undoubtably option 1 was how it was often treated. And I'd dare say now, such action is what's incompassed when people talk about the "homophobic/transphobic".
But just as people are always very apt to label those of group 1....I don't really see how group 2 can't or shouldn't be labeled as something like the "gay agenda". Like option one, it is attempting to forcefully inject it's moral views regarding the issue into the population in an attempt and desire for their view to spread across the culture to become the default view.
This is not to say that somehow the "gay agenda" is bad. This post is offering no such evaluation of the "worth" of the views amongst anyone on any side of this. And undoubtably, people who hold options 1 or 2 as their own views likely feel that their particular view is the actual "correct" one. What this thread is more doing is simply exploring this concept I've heard over the years that somehow the notion of "the gay agenda" is a laughable, non-sensical, non-existing thing.
It's absolutely and abundantly clear to me, following everything with Jenner, that there is a large segment of the population that unquestionably is looking to push a MORAL...not simply constitutional...agenda when it comes to the LGBT community; which is the very notion being expressed by the notion of the "gay agenda". Whether said agenda is right or wrong is an entirely different debate....but going forward, I'm firmly of the mind that said agenda exists.
So since this was mostly me rambling rather than really making any kind of coherent question or topic, I guess I'll finish with a question.
To those who typically warn of a "gay/homosexual agenda": Is this what you mean by the term? The idea of a systematic and wide spread push by government, the media, and/or pockets of society to instill a moral belief throughout our culture?
To those who believe there is no "gay/homosexual agenda": How do you figure? How do you square a notion that it's simply about constitutional rights in relation to other things pushed by the movement/suppoters of the movement that have nothing to do, or tangental at best, to constitutional rights?
