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Transgender Homecoming Princess crowned at Sand Creek High

ludin said:
Sex dimorphism of the brain in male-to-female t... [Cereb Cortex. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

here is the actual paper and it appears to be a free text you can read.

it doesn't matter in the end DNA tells the true story.
that is like this so called man having a baby. ol yea it isn't a man it is a women that cosmetically changed herself to look like a man.

sorry the last time i checked men can't have babies biology 101.
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Thank you for linking the paper and I will save it for further study as I learn more of the terminology. Here is the conclusion:

"The present study does not support the dogma that MtF-TR have atypical sex dimorphism in the brain but confirms the previously reported sex differences in structural volumes, gray, and WM fractions. The observed differences between MtF-TR and controls raise the question as to whether gender dysphoria may be associated with changes in multiple structures and involve a network (rather than a single nodal area)."

This paper was testing one specific theory and doesnt rule out changes in the brain completely. The bolded says what they found but they still acknowledge the differences that have been previously reported and the underlined gives another theory. Here is a link directly to a readable copy of the study:
Sex Dimorphism of the Brain in Male-to-Female Transsexuals
 
Henrin said:
Do you realize that the argument that transgenders are born with the brain of the opposite gender has been proven false, right?
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You do realize you have no idea what you are talking about, right?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
No, you don't. I'm pretty sure I've talked with you about this in previous threads.
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I don't believe you have. :shrug: Do you have anything other than "you're ignorant"? It's not really productive debate and this isn't the basement where you are free to attack people. If you think I'm a bigot or something feel free to take it to the basement and attack me there. I don't care.
 
Verax said:
This is all occurring in a social context. If she dresses like a girl and calls herself a girl and the people vote her to be homecoming queen, for this purpose then she is a girl.
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Umm, no hes not. A boy in a dress is not a girl. It is a boy in need of professional help, not a boy in need of others to pander to his insanity.
 
Henrin said:
Do you realize that the argument that transgenders are born with the brain of the opposite gender has been proven false, right?
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You do realize that the statement above is completely false, right?
 
ludin said:
Sex dimorphism of the brain in male-to-female t... [Cereb Cortex. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

here is the actual paper and it appears to be a free text you can read.

it doesn't matter in the end DNA tells the true story.
that is like this so called man having a baby. ol yea it isn't a man it is a women that cosmetically changed herself to look like a man.

sorry the last time i checked men can't have babies biology 101.
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This study addresses brain size. This is not where the major research on this issue has been headed. Here is a post I made a few years ago that has links to studies that demonstrate brain differences... NOT brain size differences. The research that demonstrates this is quite different:

CaptainCourtesy said:
I hope this suffices. I am taking this from a post I made back in 2010:

The causes of transexualism are not completely known. This is not an issue that has been studied, extensively. However, recently, there have been studies using MRI's and exploring the limbic system that have demonstrated some potential causality. Both genetics and biology have been considered as links.

Much of the information regarding the studies done on the causes of transsexualism are highly technical in nature. I will attempt to explain them in layman's terms"

A study done in 2000 examined the part of the brain that identifies gender identity... the central subdivision of the bed-nucleus of the stria terminalis or BSTc for short. They examined the somatostatin (SOM), a hormone, neurons. What they found was this. Males have 3-4 times the amount of SOM neurons than females do. This is regardless of sexual orientation; homosexual males were similar to males just as homosexual females were similar to females. However, when examining the SOM neurons of transsexuals, they found that FTM (females who claimed to be male) SOM neurons were in the MALE range while MTF (males who claimed to be females) SOM neurons were in the FEMALE range. They examined people who had hormone treatment, who had not, who had sex reassignment surgery, and who had not. Didn't matter. The SOM neuron levels remained the same. Also irrelevant was when the individual indicated their transsexualism. This gives indication that whatever the cause, it occurs while the individual develops in the womb.

Link to the actual study and links to other information used:

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus -- Kruijver et al. 85 (5): 2034 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
Male to Female Transsexual Individuals have Female Neuron Numbers in the Central Subdivision of the Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis - Tara's Transgender Resources


There also may be a DNA link to transsexualism. In a 2008 study, researchers discovered that MTF transsexuals have a longer version of the androgen receptor gene which causes weaker testosterone signals... similar to that of females.

Link to that information:

BBC NEWS | Health | Transsexual gene link identified

The first study that I posted has been reproduced and is being used to explore the answers to a numbers of questions about human sexual development. In fact, three other researchers have produced result similar or MORE profound to the Kruijver study. Here is a link to the abstract of a more recent study that confirms what Kruijver found:

A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus:... [Brain. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

If we are talking about biological gender development, we all know that an XX person is female and an XY person is male. However, what this creates is the anatomical differences between males and females. It does NOT impact the brain and hormone level development. It is theorized that in transsexuals, hormone surges, often occurring in the 3rd month of pregnancy occur in the opposite fashion as would typically occur. An XX fetus might get the hormonal surge, whereas an XY might not. This can account for the differences in the BSTc SOM receptors. There is some discussion that this may be caused by hormones or other medications ingested during pregnancy, such as DES, but there is no conclusive evidence surrounding this. What is clear is that a transsexual's brain-hormonal pathways operate similar to the sex opposite to what they are anatomically.

Things to consider when discussing transsexualism. Firstly, though there is a strong connection between the differentiation in BSTc SOM neurons and gender identity, the mechanisms that create gender are complex and not completely understood; the brain is still a very complicated organ.

Secondly, cases of children who may have had some genital abnormality at birth, and were "reassigned" to the opposite sex for cosmetic reasons at that time, retained their chromosomal identity. In other words, if a boy was born without a penis, but with testicles, and he was castrated a brought up as a girl, he would retain his gender identity and STILL identify as a boy. A study done with children like this found that all eventually presented as male, not female as they were raised. This gives credence to the idea that transsexualism is NOT socially or environmentally driven.

Hopkins research shows nature, not nurture, determines gender

Thirdly, it has been found that true transsexual people cannot be "cured" though psychiatry or psychology. This is NOT a mental disorder, but an inconsistency between brain-hormonal functioning/structure and chromosomal anatomy.

Further links that provided information for this post:

http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Research-Assets/etiology.pdf
Transsexuality
Transsexualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please feel free to ask any questions. This is just an overview as there is more information.
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Amandi said:
Thank you for linking the paper and I will save it for further study as I learn more of the terminology. Here is the conclusion:

"The present study does not support the dogma that MtF-TR have atypical sex dimorphism in the brain but confirms the previously reported sex differences in structural volumes, gray, and WM fractions. The observed differences between MtF-TR and controls raise the question as to whether gender dysphoria may be associated with changes in multiple structures and involve a network (rather than a single nodal area)."

This paper was testing one specific theory and doesnt rule out changes in the brain completely. The bolded says what they found but they still acknowledge the differences that have been previously reported and the underlined gives another theory. Here is a link directly to a readable copy of the study:
Sex Dimorphism of the Brain in Male-to-Female Transsexuals
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yet you missed this
The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized. The observed changes in MtF-TR bring attention to the networks inferred in processing of body perception.
 
danarhea said:
I have a couple of questions. What was her answer to the question on birth control? Does she wear tampons? How does she feel about breast feeding in public? Don't laugh. These are important questions, and I strongly feel that, if you don't have the right equipment, you are no expert on these questions. I am all for the rights of the transgendered, but a beauty pageant for women should be a beauty pagaent for......

WOMEN!!!!

Does make me wonder how ugly the rest of the girls at that school are, if a guy can beat them all out and win this pageant. LOL..........

Hmmm, does give me an idea. I'm going to put on a fur coat and staple a tail to my ass, and then enter myself in the Westminster Dog Show next year. The winner gets a lot of money. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Don't know about the lifetime supply of dog food though. I think I'll give that away. LOL.
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Imagine being one of the ladies who just lost to a dude.
 
Fletch said:
Umm, no hes not. A boy in a dress is not a girl. It is a boy in need of professional help, not a boy in need of others to pander to his insanity.
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Actually, this demonstrates a lack of education on this matter. Transsexuals are not in need of professional help. Transsexuality, after approximately 7 years of research, was eliminated from the DSM as a disorder back in May of 2013. Now, you can certainly disagree with this, but your disagreement is irrelevant to research and facts.
 
Your Star said:
She may have been born in a male body, but that does not make her a man.
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XX
XY

You show me the transgender chromosome and I'll agree with you, until then "she" had better trade "her" abortion/BC coverage for prostate exams.
 
Your Star said:
And she is a woman. I'm glad she won. It's great that the majority of the students and the faculty at that school are okay and accepting of who she is. This is the direction the entire world should go.

I'm surprised at your comments, dan. You've always seemed open-minded and caring. This makes me sad. :(
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If you don't like living by the Christian Bible, you are close-minded and uncaring. See how that works?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This study addresses brain size. This is not where the major research on this issue has been headed. Here is a post I made a few years ago that has links to studies that demonstrate brain differences... NOT brain size differences. The research that demonstrates this is quite different:
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this study shows that the claim that these men are feminized is not correct. if they were feminized then they would show similar brain sizes along with other features.
they don't.
 
Jerry said:
XX
XY

You show me the transgender chromosome and I'll agree with you, until then "she" had better trade "her" abortion/BC coverage for prostate exams.
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this is it right here perfect example.

a so called man had a baby. ol wait it isn't a man at all. it is a women that dresses like a man. quit taking her hormones to get pregnant.
last time i checked men can't have babies. which is still true a women had a baby not a man.

doesn't matter how much cosmetic surgery you have or what you chop off you were born male and female. there is no escaping that fact.
 
danarhea said:
I have a couple of questions. What was her answer to the question on birth control? Does she wear tampons? How does she feel about breast feeding in public? Don't laugh. These are important questions, and I strongly feel that, if you don't have the right equipment, you are no expert on these questions. I am all for the rights of the transgendered, but a beauty pageant for women should be a beauty pagaent for......

WOMEN!!!!

Does make me wonder how ugly the rest of the girls at that school are, if a guy can beat them all out and win this pageant. LOL..........

Hmmm, does give me an idea. I'm going to put on a fur coat and staple a tail to my ass, and then enter myself in the Westminster Dog Show next year. The winner gets a lot of money. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Don't know about the lifetime supply of dog food though. I think I'll give that away. LOL.
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I haven't read the thread yet, so I reserve the right to go back and edit this --

but.... I thought this was that she was Homecoming Queen. Homecoming and Beauty pageants are two totally different things. While you are expected to be attractive to be Homecoming Queen, you also have to be very well liked, as Homecoming Queens are primarily voted in by the student body.

As far as the OP, I say good job, Sand Creek High! Do we have a link? I'd like to see what she looks like.
 
TeleKat said:
It's good to see the younger generation is more open-minded towards this kind of thing. When I was in high school, she would have been laughed off the stage and tormented for the rest of the year. And that's best-case scenario...
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I'm not that far removed from junior high. The truth is, her winning could very well be a joke intended to make fun of her. Have you all not seen Carrie? Seriously though, I remember there was always someone hugely unpopular on our ballots and everyone knew it was a joke.
 
X Factor said:
I'm not that far removed from junior high. The truth is, her winning could very well be a joke intended to make fun of her. Have you all not seen Carrie? Seriously though, I remember there was always someone hugely unpopular on our ballots and everyone knew it was a joke.
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Aw, don't be a Debbie Downer.
 
Superfly said:
Aw, don't be a Debbie Downer.
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Sorry, no idea if it's the case here (the unpopular nominees in my schools never actually won) but you'd have to admit that it would be a little funny if the kids here were all being praised and lauded for what's actually a Carrie-like prank.
 
X Factor said:
Sorry, no idea if it's the case here (the unpopular nominees in my schools never actually won) but you'd have to admit that it would be a little funny if the kids here were all being praised and lauded for what's actually a Carrie-like prank.
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Yeah, well, we all know how Carrie ended. I hope, for the student body's sake, it isn't a prank!! :D :D
 
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