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Is this the Christian way to deal with a gay child?

roguenuke said:
Bull. They hit him. And there is little evidence that he was hitting until after getting hit at least more than once. They were physically attacking him and he started (at least it sounded like) to defend himself when his father decided to intervene. You could hear the grandfather (I believe) in the background telling them to stop or calm down.

They were acting worse than teenagers.

And after she said she wasn't going to talk about her beliefs, he dropped it and said he'd be out by Thurs. Then he asked if he could live in his parents' basement.

They set the hostile tone by kicking him out because he was gay, despite the fact that the grandmother clearly states at the very beginning that she knew he was gay since he was really little. That in itself shows that he didn't make a choice about it. Plus, she said clearly also that she was doing it so it wouldn't appear that she condoned homosexuality. That means she was more concerned about her reputation than her relationship with her grandson. That is pathetic and immature.

I never said they didn't have a right to throw him out. And had they stated it was purely for the comments on facebook about his father (whether true or not), they may have gotten the benefit of the doubt for at least that. But I feel that anyone who chooses their beliefs or worse their reputation in the community over family is a douchebag.

He didn't instigate this, they did. His father was obviously hostile from the beginning. I'll give him sympathy as will many more. He doesn't need yours or these members of his "family".
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It's their house. They can kick him out whenever they want, for whatever reason they want.

If he doesn't like it, "tough sh*t." At any age past 18, living at home is a privilege, not a right.

I'm sorry, but swaggering into the house behaving like a petulant and combative child, doing his absolute best to throw attitude at every one present, and demonstrate his contempt for them, was never going to serve any purpose other than to make an already bad situation worse. Again, considering his covert and premeditated efforts to record the confrontation without his family's knowledge, that is almost certainly exactly what he had in mind in the first place.

He wanted to make himself into a martyr by stirring up needless domestic drama, and that is exactly what he succeeded in doing.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's their house. They can kick him out whenever they want, for whatever reason they want.

If he doesn't like it, "tough sh*t." At any age past 18, living at home is a privilege, not a right.

I'm sorry, but swaggering into the house behaving like a petulant and combative child, doing his absolute best to throw attitude at every one present, and demonstrate his contempt for them, was never going to serve any purpose other than to make an already bad situation worse. Again, considering his covert and premeditated efforts to record the confrontation without his family's knowledge, that is almost certainly exactly what he had in mind in the first place.

He wanted to make himself into a martyr by stirring up needless domestic drama, and that is exactly what he succeeded in doing.
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Not once have I said they shouldn't have a right to kick him out. Their having a right to do it doesn't make it any less douchy to do it for the reasons they did.

And they started it by having this "family intervention" to begin with. There wouldn't have been any family drama had they not been so dramatic about it from the beginning.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's their house. They can kick him out whenever they want, for whatever reason they want.

If he doesn't like it, "tough sh*t." At any age past 18, living at home is a privilege, not a right.

I'm sorry, but swaggering into the house behaving like a petulant and combative child, doing his absolute best to throw attitude at every one present, and demonstrate his contempt for them, was never going to serve any purpose other than to make an already bad situation worse. Again, considering his covert and premeditated efforts to record the confrontation without his family's knowledge, that is almost certainly exactly what he had in mind in the first place.

He wanted to make himself into a martyr by stirring up needless domestic drama, and that is exactly what he succeeded in doing.
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"I'm sorry, son, but we don't support that lifestyle in this house. Please pack your things and be moved out by the end of the day".

No yelling, no hitting, no bible-thumping, still sticking to a religious belief without acting like jerks.
 
roguenuke said:
Not once have I said they shouldn't have a right to kick him out. Their having a right to do it doesn't make it any less douchy to do it for the reasons they did.

And they started it by having this "family intervention" to begin with. There wouldn't have been any family drama had they not been so dramatic about it from the beginning.
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I don't see them as being "dramatic" about it in the first place.

Things became dramatic as the situation escalated. I also don't see any evidence to suggest this was an "intervention."

No one told him that he should not be homosexual. The grandmother was simply trying to explain their reasoning for making him move out.

Jerry said:
"I'm sorry, son, but we don't support that lifestyle in this house. Please pack your things and be moved out by the end of the day".

No yelling, no hitting, no bible-thumping, still sticking to a religious belief without acting like jerks.
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That's exactly what they were trying to do to begin with.

He's the one who escalated things beyond that by acting like a petulant child just so he could film the results and post them on the internet.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
I don't see them as being "dramatic" about it in the first place.

Things became dramatic as the situation escalated. I also don't see any evidence to suggest this was an "intervention."

No one told him that he should not be homosexual. The grandmother was simply trying to explain their reasoning for making him move out.



That's exactly what they were trying to do to begin with.

He's the one who escalated things beyond that by acting like a petulant child just so he could film the results and post them on the internet.
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You have to let yourself get mad in order for the situation to escalate at all. No one forces you.

That's the joy of trolling, to get someone to act in a way they claim to dislike so as to expose their hypocrisy. To pull someone off their high horse. The only way to win is not to feed the troll, which means when you tell someone they have to leave and they start acting like a dick, don't respond to it. If they're unbearable then call the cops and have them removed.

This is true whether you're telling your gay son to leave your christian fundimentalist home or telling a drunken friend to leave your pool-party.
 
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Jerry said:
You have to let yourself get mad in order for the situation to escalate at all. No one forces you.

That's the joy of trolling, to get someone to act in a way they claim to dislike so as to expose their hypocrisy. To pull someone off their high horse. The only way to win is not to feed the troll, which means when you tell someone they have to leave and they start acting like a dick, don't respond to it. If they're unbearable then call the cops and have them removed.

This is true whether you're telling your gay son to leave your christian fundimentalist home or telling a drunken friend to leave your pool-party.
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Eh. Personally, I'd be just as happy to see trolls drawn, quartered, and beheaded, with their limbs posted to the four corners of the internet as a warning to all future offenders. :lol:

Needless to say, my sympathies here lie far more with the family than their deceitful dickhead of a son. lol
 
Gathomas88 said:
I don't see them as being "dramatic" about it in the first place.

Things became dramatic as the situation escalated. I also don't see any evidence to suggest this was an "intervention."

No one told him that he should not be homosexual. The grandmother was simply trying to explain their reasoning for making him move out.

That's exactly what they were trying to do to begin with.

He's the one who escalated things beyond that by acting like a petulant child just so he could film the results and post them on the internet.
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That was an intervention of sorts. It was meant for them to shame him for being gay as a group. They weren't there at his invitation. They were there because they all knew that the grandmother was going to tell him to get out of the house because he was gay. Maybe I am confusing who is talking to him first, but I was pretty sure the grandmother was the one who kicked him out then it sounded like he was asking his stepmother to live with her.

WATCH: Family Has Horrifying, Violent Reaction To Son's Coming Out As Gay (GRAPHIC CONTENT)

And I guess I was right about there being a third woman there as well. It appears that the stepmother's sister was also there.

Georgia gay teen attacked by family
 
Jerry said:
You have to let yourself get mad in order for the situation to escalate at all. No one forces you.

That's the joy of trolling, to get someone to act in a way they claim to dislike so as to expose their hypocrisy. To pull someone off their high horse. The only way to win is not to feed the troll, which means when you tell someone they have to leave and they start acting like a dick, don't respond to it. If they're unbearable then call the cops and have them removed.

This is true whether you're telling your gay son to leave your christian fundimentalist home or telling a drunken friend to leave your pool-party.
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That is all true

In addition, I'd like to point out that it was the mom (or grandmom, not sure which) who was confrontational. She was deliberately provoking him by insisting that she have both the first and the last word about his orientation being a choice. She would not take any disagreement.

She wasn't just saying "You have to leave". He didn't put up any fight when she said he had to move out. She was insisting that he agree with her opinions and approve of them

She was the one who was confrontational and petulant. And stupid to boot.
 
Those grandmothers and stepmom's are quick. You have to keep an eye on them. When they come after you, you have just a blink of an eye to react to the onslaught.



roguenuke said:
First of all, we don't know which one hit him, the grandmother or the stepmother and don't know how "elderly" either actually was.

Second, he was trying to stop them from hitting him. Defending himself is absolutely justified, even from family members. The father didn't care two bits about that. He wasn't living with his father in the first place. He was living with his grandparents (from what I gleaned, which is why he asked his stepmother if he could live in their basement and she said no, so he wasn't going to be living with his father well before any physical violence started).

He was standing up for himself.

And he clearly stated his beliefs and that they weren't going to change. They escalated every part of that. They started raising their voices, called him a liar (was he, who knows), and hit him first. Every bit of escalation was them.

The only part that I don't feel bad for him about is if he was talking about his father online, then I don't feel that his stepmother/father were wrong in refusing to let him stay with them, but that seemed to be absolutely secondary to him being gay to most of his family. The only person trying to deescalate the situation sounded like the grandfather.

They started it. He wouldn't have had anything to film had they not did a "family intervention" to inform him he couldn't live with them anymore simply because he was gay and they were afraid of looking bad to other people.
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Gathomas88 said:
Eh. Personally, I'd be just as happy to see trolls drawn, quartered, and beheaded, with their limbs posted to the four corners of the internet as a warning to all future offenders. :lol:
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Trolls aside from you I assume.

Needless to say, my sympathies here lie far more with the family than their deceitful dickhead of a son. lol
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I think they would no matter what the son did. They share your perversion of Christianity.
 
Gathomas88 said:
I am not a troll.

I simply happen to have a gift for pissing certain kinds of people off. ;)
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ecofarm said:
Why do you object to him telling them science trumps the word of God? Do you object to him telling them it wasn't a choice?

Exactly what did he say that was wrong?

He wasn't nice about? Why should he be.
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While I could arm chair quarterback the whole thing, that is not my point. I have an issue with it once it gets put on the internet to try to influence my opinion. The title is misleading if not an outright lie. I dont believe that he never talked about his dad on FB. I cannot believe his father is as ignorant as that without his son saying something.

Do I have a problem with what the family did? A very big YES but they didnt post the video, he did.
 
CriticalThought said:


What is the "Word of God" worth if this is how people act? Obviously this is not meant to be a commentary on some or even most Christians, but this somehow does not seem like a What Would Jesus Do moment.

Full story...

WATCH: Family Has Horrifying, Violent Reaction To Son's Coming Out As Gay (GRAPHIC CONTENT)
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I stopped watching at 3:50 -- I got the point.

For the Bible Tells Me So is a pretty good and heartbreaking documentary on parents rejecting their own flesh and blood because (and the title kind of gives it away) the they believe the bible tells them they should. There are no words...
 
Gathomas88 said:
I don't see them as being "dramatic" about it in the first place.

Things became dramatic as the situation escalated. I also don't see any evidence to suggest this was an "intervention."

No one told him that he should not be homosexual. The grandmother was simply trying to explain their reasoning for making him move out.
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You need to watch it again. It's so clear that he was forced out because of the "choice he was making," as his devil parent kept repeating. Revisionism doesn't work when anyone can click on the link and see how wrong you are. You also clearly have no idea what this kind of rejection is like, so your sympathizing with the family instead means nothing.
 
roguenuke said:
That was an intervention of sorts. It was meant for them to shame him for being gay as a group. They weren't there at his invitation. They were there because they all knew that the grandmother was going to tell him to get out of the house because he was gay. Maybe I am confusing who is talking to him first, but I was pretty sure the grandmother was the one who kicked him out then it sounded like he was asking his stepmother to live with her.

WATCH: Family Has Horrifying, Violent Reaction To Son's Coming Out As Gay (GRAPHIC CONTENT)

And I guess I was right about there being a third woman there as well. It appears that the stepmother's sister was also there.

Georgia gay teen attacked by family
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So according to your second link, it seems the family had ganged together to 'discuss' a pray-the-gay-away 'intervention' with him. We didn't get to see that part before he turned on his camera.

He didn't set it up as some people are trying to claim.
 
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