Homosexual Suicide: Caused by Relationship Problems, not Acceptance (1 Viewer)

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

QNews said:
A new Griffith University study has revealed that gay and lesbian people are more likely to experience major relationship problems with their partners rather than their family. Surprisingly, the study found family conflict and rejection is one of the least likely reasons for suicide.

SURPRISE FINDING IN GAY QUEENSLAND RESEARCH | Q News

Interestingly, this study corroborates other previous studies that show much higher rates of abuse in homosexual relationships.

CBS said:
Domestic violence is at a higher rate among gay men and bisexual women compared to straight men and women, according to new research on the topic.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/study-domestic-violence-rates-higher-among-gay-men-bisexual-women/

LifeSiteNews said:
A study published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Urban Health, which is published by the New York Academy of Medicine, has found that over 32% of active homosexuals report that they have suffered "abuse" by one or more "partners" during the course of their lives

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-shows-32-of-homosexuals-have-suffered-abuse-by-their-partner

brothern · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
Interestingly, this study corroborates other previous studies that show much higher rates of abuse in homosexual relationships.

Did you read the article?

Dr Skerrett says a bigger problem facing gay people stems from the frosty reception they receive in society. "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people are still facing stigma and a lack of acceptance at a societal level and that plays out in various ways in their lives, like relationship conflict," he said.

If your relationship seems less valid than that of your straight friends and family, your problems are less valid, too, which means they are not addressed.

shlunka · Jun 2, 2014

At least address all points made in the article (including those that contradict your assertion). I.e, give it to us straight.

HonestJoe · Jun 2, 2014

Not from their families, but social acceptance is still proposed as a significant factor (from your first link);

Dr Skerrett says a bigger problem facing gay people stems from the frosty reception they receive in society. “Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people are still facing stigma and a lack of acceptance at a societal level and that plays out in various ways in their lives, like relationship conflict,” he said.

It's interesting that in your second link, it claims that for the vast majority of domestic violence reports from bisexual women we're by men, suggesting that gender rather than sexuality may be more relevant.

brothern · Jun 2, 2014

Dr Skerrett says a bigger problem facing gay people stems from the frosty reception they receive in society. "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people are still facing stigma and a lack of acceptance at a societal level and that plays out in various ways in their lives, like relationship conflict," he said.

If your relationship seems less valid than that of your straight friends and family, your problems are less valid, too, which means they are not addressed.

Too add onto that: Stigma and rejection play our poorly for any group of people. Take almost any traditionally stigmatized community anywhere in the world and you'll find that community suffers from higher rates of depression, alcohol/drug abuse, relationship & familial issues, poverty, health concerns, etc. From religious minorities to the economic castes. It's not because that disenfranchised group is intrinsically awful, but because their ability to function and interact on the society-wide level is hindered by prejudice.

opendebate · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
SURPRISE FINDING IN GAY QUEENSLAND RESEARCH | Q News

Interestingly, this study corroborates other previous studies that show much higher rates of abuse in homosexual relationships.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/study-domestic-violence-rates-higher-among-gay-men-bisexual-women/

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-shows-32-of-homosexuals-have-suffered-abuse-by-their-partner

Exactly what Brothern posted. In your eagerness to support your shame and judgment for this group of people you didn't really think this through....did ya? Shame on you.

Redress · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
SURPRISE FINDING IN GAY QUEENSLAND RESEARCH | Q News

Interestingly, this study corroborates other previous studies that show much higher rates of abuse in homosexual relationships.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/study-domestic-violence-rates-higher-among-gay-men-bisexual-women/

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-shows-32-of-homosexuals-have-suffered-abuse-by-their-partner

I will take Dishonest Thread Titles for 1000 Alex.

Seriously, did you think no one was going to notice that your link directly contradicts your claim in the title of the thread? And why are you so fixated on gay people?

Redress · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
SURPRISE FINDING IN GAY QUEENSLAND RESEARCH | Q News

Interestingly, this study corroborates other previous studies that show much higher rates of abuse in homosexual relationships.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/study-domestic-violence-rates-higher-among-gay-men-bisexual-women/

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-study-shows-32-of-homosexuals-have-suffered-abuse-by-their-partner

And one more to show the dishonest presentation. In response to your last link/quote: Intimate Partner Violence

At some point during their lifetime, 36 percent of women—or approximately 42.4 million—were victims of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner.

So 32 % is lower than the rate for straight couples...

Lursa · Jun 2, 2014

When people wish to be blind to the truth, they are closed off...blind...to anything that counters what they believe.

TheDemSocialist · Jun 2, 2014

:failpail::failpail::failpail::failpail:

Gipper · Jun 2, 2014

I don't know why rates would be so high for bisexual women. I mean, she's gonna give you threesomes and you smack her? Talk about killing the golden goose...

Koros · Jun 2, 2014

If your relationship seems less valid than that of your straight friends and family, your problems are less valid, too, which means they are not addressed.

Exactly. And this happens even with families and society which proport to be accepting. My partner and I had some problems a couple of years ago that nearly broke us up. I was devistated and turned to my parents for advice. They've been married for more than 30 years, so obviously they would know at least a little bit about how to work through relationship problems.

My father listened, offered advice, and was sympathetic. My mother, on the other hand, spent every conversation talking about the problems that my sister and her husband were having at the same time, and just kept saying "well, if it ends you can always stay with us for a while." I asked my sister if mom had been that way concerning her and her DH, which of course she had not. Mom had been a mediator, a counselor, and a concerned mother to her daughter during marriage troubles. But, since I was with a man and not a woman, mom wrote our problems off as not being worth discussing or taking seriously.

To this day, my relationship with my mother is severely strained because of it.

Dragonfly · Jun 2, 2014

Hyper-religious, talibornagain zealots are truly frightening people, and often times the most ignorant and hypocritical people going.

Zinthaniel · Jun 2, 2014

Don't you love when dishonesty removes context to warp facts to fit it's narrative. Hm, what causes the problems in these relationships? Could it be the social stigmas that bar gay relationships from functioning in a healthy manner?

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

HonestJoe said:
Not from their families, but social acceptance is still proposed as a significant factor (from your first link);

It's interesting that in your second link, it claims that for the vast majority of domestic violence reports from bisexual women we're by men, suggesting that gender rather than sexuality may be more relevant.

Redress said:
And one more to show the dishonest presentation. In response to your last link/quote: Intimate Partner Violence

So 32 % is lower than the rate for straight couples...

Why don't we look at a study that directly compares across groups then.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_faqs_so-a.pdf

Percentage who have had violent partners:
Bisexual women: 75%
Lesbian women: 46%
Straight women: 43%

Bisexual men: 47%
Gay men: 40%
Straight men: 21%

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

Zinthaniel said:
Don't you love when dishonesty removes context to warp facts to fit it's narrative. Hm, what causes the problems in these relationships? Could it be the social stigmas that bar gay relationships from functioning in a healthy manner?

Social stigmas cause one homosexual to hit another? That's quite a leap.

Zinthaniel · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
Social stigmas cause one homosexual to hit another? That's quite a leap.

You own source makes that leap buddy. Sorry but you stepped on your own foot with your links.

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

Zinthaniel said:
You own source makes that leap buddy. Sorry but you stepped on your own foot with your links.

It's a leap based on nothing but conjecture.

Zinthaniel · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
It's a leap based on nothing but conjecture.

It's from your source that you where trying to use to validate your thread title, and now you are backtracking and calling your own citations disingenuous? How convenient.

chromium · Jun 2, 2014

Koros said:
Exactly. And this happens even with families and society which proport to be accepting. My partner and I had some problems a couple of years ago that nearly broke us up. I was devistated and turned to my parents for advice. They've been married for more than 30 years, so obviously they would know at least a little bit about how to work through relationship problems.

My father listened, offered advice, and was sympathetic. My mother, on the other hand, spent every conversation talking about the problems that my sister and her husband were having at the same time, and just kept saying "well, if it ends you can always stay with us for a while." I asked my sister if mom had been that way concerning her and her DH, which of course she had not. Mom had been a mediator, a counselor, and a concerned mother to her daughter during marriage troubles. But, since I was with a man and not a woman, mom wrote our problems off as not being worth discussing or taking seriously.

To this day, my relationship with my mother is severely strained because of it.

Sorry to hear that. She probably figured though she can't relate at all and so her advice would be crap. If she truly didn't care she'd just disown you like many of us have been thru.

chromium · Jun 2, 2014

shlunka said:
At least address all points made in the article (including those that contradict your assertion). I.e, give it to us straight.

Exactly, but this is typical of someone like the OP who has an agenda and tries to bash at every opportunity.

Koros · Jun 2, 2014

chromium said:
Sorry to hear that. She probably figured though she can't relate at all and so her advice would be crap. If she truly didn't care she'd just disown you like many of us have been thru.

Not necessarily. From my experience, the relationship between a parent and a child isn't just black and white. There are a myriad of shades of gray between "true love and acceptance" and "disowning."

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

Zinthaniel said:
It's from your source that you where trying to use to validate your thread title, and now you are backtracking and calling your own citations disingenuous? How convenient.

I was using their statistics. Their commentary is irrelevant.

phattonez · Jun 2, 2014

chromium said:
Exactly, but this is typical of someone like the OP who has an agenda and tries to bash at every opportunity.

How dare I have an opinion on a debate forum!

Zinthaniel · Jun 2, 2014

phattonez said:
I was using their statistics. Their commentary is irrelevant.

Their commentary explains the context of the statistics without which lead to silly misunderstandings such as we see in your op.

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