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If there was credible evidence for a method for converting homosexuals...

chromium said:
Yeah in my lifetime dems have been so useless on this. DADT was repealed and that's all i can think of.
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It's the tactic of being needed. If one party solved all of the problems they would have out lived their usefulness. The sad part is they all outlive their usefulness since leave a legacy like the federalists and some are drug out back and shot. I imagine that will be the democrat and the republican parties maybe not in my lifetime but sooner rather than later.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If this was utopia we wouldn't have any problems. Nobody would miss cancer or going bald or left handed Ness.
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All These do exist but then again, so did polio and smallpox. Who knows what marvelous cures science will bring us next.
 
Papa bull said:
If there had been early detection and treatment, you wouldn't have to be posting this. You just wouldn't have been homosexual. Why not nip it in the bud before it even happens. You might not get it because you're a homosexual bit expecting parents would get it. And then you wouldn't have had to deal with all those confusing issues of being homosexual and having a wife and making children. And you wouldn't have missed a thing because you wouldn't have had those urges to engage in same-sex carnal behaviors. This discussion would never happen.

If there was a preventative measure, of course. I think it's all a matter of choice, though, so it's purely hypothetical. There isn't a cure for behavioral choices.
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Why don't you leave that between her and her parents. If they are content with the situation, who are you to tell them otherwise? I assume they adopted, like many hetero couples, or had an actual birth. In other words, they're her kids! You're making it out to be so different and conjuring these "confusing issues."

The only point you can make on this is for teenagers who are dependent. I had it rough in those years, but would not have changed who i am. Who needs friends like that anyway.
 
chromium said:
Why don't you leave that between her and her parents.
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I'm with you and already said so. Give parents the option to not have homosexual children and homosexuality will be history. Parents would nip that right in the bud if it was a simple and routine test and fix.
 
well yes because now we would be talking about a procedure controlled, supported and documented and proven by the medical community and or FDA not BS.

SO yes i would support a person (ADULTS) to choose to pursue a medicine or medical procedure.



think about if it was simple a chemical balance and it would simply be a pill to convert either way. I seriously doubt that but im just saying, the drug would become a designer drug for sure i bet.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's the tactic of being needed. If one party solved all of the problems they would have out lived their usefulness. The sad part is they all outlive their usefulness since leave a legacy like the federalists and some are drug out back and shot. I imagine that will be the democrat and the republican parties maybe not in my lifetime but sooner rather than later.
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Honestly if repubs just stopped talking about this altogether a few years ago, that would have taken many votes from dems, because that would put them on an even level then - accomplishing nothing. Instead they've committed themselves to anti gay, anti black, anti hispanic, anti every minority so strongly that whoever wins the primary in 2016 will be dead in the water. It's a shame because the dems really don't deserve anything.
 
AGENT J said:
well yes because now we would be talking about a procedure controlled, supported and documented and proven by the medical community and or FDA not BS.

SO yes i would support a person (ADULTS) to choose to pursue a medicine or medical procedure.



think about if it was simple a chemical balance and it would simply be a pill to convert either way. I seriously doubt that but im just saying, the drug would become a designer drug for sure i bet.
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But how many drugs that are meant to cure chemical imbalance ever work? Thinking of antidepressants, it's a simple theory, but people go thru years and years of multiple SSRIs/tricyclics/MAOIs, and the side effects can suck pretty bad. Depression is debilitating though, unlike homosexuality.

This is why i said from the start this idea of a "one-off cure" is unlikely anytime soon and that anyone who chooses to go thru that is either being coerced or should be proscribed therapy instead.
 
Papa bull said:
You don't see people afflicted with them any more. They're under control.
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Because they're pathogens, not something one is born with. In fact, smallpox is kept in weapons labs. Polio cases still happen in 3 countries that we know of. Anyway, whatever science can cure can be brought back, and in more virulent forms.

Aside from that, same sex behavior wouldn't come to an end. Something like 5% of the population identifies as gay, and i promise you experimenting is way more prevalent than that.
 
chromium said:
Honestly if repubs just stopped talking about this altogether a few years ago, that would have taken many votes from dems, because that would put them on an even level then - accomplishing nothing. Instead they've committed themselves to anti gay, anti black, anti hispanic, anti every minority so strongly that whoever wins the primary in 2016 will be dead in the water. It's a shame because the dems really don't deserve anything.
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I agree mostly, if you notice some of the conservatives are abandoning that. I have heard it more than a few times.
 
Papa bull said:
If there had been early detection and treatment, you wouldn't have to be posting this. You just wouldn't have been homosexual. Why not nip it in the bud before it even happens. You might not get it because you're a homosexual bit expecting parents would get it. And then you wouldn't have had to deal with all those confusing issues of being homosexual and having a wife and making children. And you wouldn't have missed a thing because you wouldn't have had those urges to engage in same-sex carnal behaviors. This discussion would never happen.

If there was a preventative measure, of course. I think it's all a matter of choice, though, so it's purely hypothetical. There isn't a cure for behavioral choices.
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Why would I want to be different than I am? I am happy, healthy, and have a great family. Why try to fix something that isn't broken?
Would you approve of parents choosing to "fix" their heterosexual children before birth to make them homosexual?
 
chromium said:
But how many drugs that are meant to cure chemical imbalance ever work? Thinking of antidepressants, it's a simple theory, but people go thru years and years of multiple SSRIs/tricyclics/MAOIs, and the side effects can suck pretty bad. Depression is debilitating though, unlike homosexuality.

This is why i said from the start this idea of a "one-off cure" is unlikely anytime soon and that anyone who chooses to go thru that is either being coerced or should be proscribed therapy instead.
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i was just talking fantasy thats why i said i seriously doubt it
 
wolfsgirl said:
Why would I want to be different than I am? I am happy, healthy, and have a great family. Why try to fix something that isn't broken?
Would you approve of parents choosing to "fix" their heterosexual children before birth to make them homosexual?
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You shouldn't want to be different than you are. If there was early testing and treatment for unborn babies, you just wouldn't have been "how you are". You'd have been born with normal sexual orientation and would be happily heterosexual and you wouldn't desire homosexual relations. And you wouldn't miss same sex relations because you wouldn't be homosexual..........

Unless homosexuality is really all about choices. If it's about choices, there's no physiological condition to cure. It's those people that are positive that homosexuality is inborn that give the world hope that there may someday be a cure. If there is a physical cause, there is a real possibility there can be a medical cure. If there isn't, then it's just behavior and choice and there's no cure for that.

If the parents decide that they don't want their baby to be homosexual and there's a test and a cure, why shouldn't they or wouldn't they get that fixed? It's their choice, not the choice of the unborn baby. After all, it's not the choice of the unborn child whether to be aborted or not, is it? If you're pro-choice on the abortion issue, you can't logically and reasonably be against testing for and treating homosexuality in unborn children should such technology become available.
 
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Papa bull said:
You shouldn't want to be different than you are. If there was early testing and treatment for unborn babies, you just wouldn't have been "how you are". You'd have been born with normal sexual orientation and would be happily heterosexual and you wouldn't desire homosexual relations. And you wouldn't miss same sex relations because you wouldn't be homosexual..........

Unless homosexuality is really all about choices. If it's about choices, there's no physiological condition to cure. It's those people that are positive that homosexuality is inborn that give the world hope that there may someday be a cure. If there is a physical cause, there is a real possibility there can be a medical cure. If there isn't, then it's just behavior and choice and there's no cure for that.
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You don't get it. There's nothing to cure. Homosexuality is normal and natural, lacking in any negative symptoms, and present in every mammal species on earth.

Why should we dump billions of dollars into trying to "cure" the gay just to make homophobes and bigots more comfortable when we could be finding a cure for a REAL disease instead?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Right which is why this anti homosexual (crap is anti Christian.
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Being anti-homosexual is indeed not a Christian stance. Recognizing the sin of homosexual acts is, however.

I started no such thing. Quote any post where I did.
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This is where I see you saying that. If I've gotten that wrong, please correct - but it certainly looks as though you are stating that your faith is conditional upon acceptance/approval of your sexuality.

Funny you seem to see things through your own petty self interests.
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:roll: Catty Barbs aren't going to help you out in a real conversation. Is this the part where I'm supposed to go "I know you are, but what am I?" :roll:

I have, I left behind the nonsense that you are saying. Moved from a false God with conditional love to a real God that loves unconditionally.
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God loved us while we were yet sinners. That is not cause to sin freely so that grace may abound.

I have abandoned religions that seem to care so much about sexuality.
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It's not that it focuses on sexuality - it is that Christianity focuses on trying to rescue us from our sin, and that is one of the most prevalent areas of sin in our time. But look at your sig, dude. An American flag transformed into a Gay Pride flag? Look at your activity on this forum - the Sex and Sexuality forum outweighs any other area of discussion. You pretty obviously care about / are focused on / think a lot about your sexuality. :shrug:

I don't see how homosexuality in and of itself is a sin. I have seen no bible verses on such a thing.
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The temptation, the orientation, is not - no more than Jesus being tempted in the desert or me being tempted by Jennifer Anniston. It is the acting out of the temptation that is sinful.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
You don't get it. There's nothing to cure. Homosexuality is normal and natural, lacking in any negative symptoms, and present in every mammal species on earth.

Why should we dump billions of dollars into trying to "cure" the gay just to make homophobes and bigots more comfortable when we could be finding a cure for a REAL disease instead?
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Why dump billions of dollars into finding a cure for gay? If someone would come up with such a test and cure for homosexuality, they'd reap windfall profits because virtually all parents would want to test and, i f necessary, treat their unborn child for it. I suppose it's possible some parents might think it would be swell to have their child born homosexual but most would prefer their child grow up normal if it was a simple test and treatment to assure that.

It would be the parent's choice. Unborn babies don't get to choose what sort of medical procedures they have performed on them.
 
Papa bull said:
Why dump billions of dollars into finding a cure for gay? If someone would come up with such a test and cure for homosexuality, they'd reap windfall profits because virtually all parents would want to test and, i f necessary, treat their unborn child for it. I suppose it's possible some parents might think it would be swell to have their child born homosexual but most would prefer their child grow up normal if it was a simple test and treatment to assure that.

It would be the parent's choice. Unborn babies don't get to choose what sort of medical procedures they have performed on them.
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You keep using "normal," but I do not think you know what it means. Gay people are not abnormal.

Yes, children do often have medical procedures pushed on them either for no benefit, or even to their detriment, because they are seen as property by unscrupulous parents. That's a travesty.
 
cpwill said:
It's not that it focuses on sexuality - it is that Christianity focuses on trying to rescue us from our sin, and that is one of the most prevalent areas of sin in our time.
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Compared to eating shellfish? No way, dude. There are even palaces of abomination like Red lobster that actually flaunt their sin, almost demanding a response to it.

and I shouldn't even have to mention J.C. Penney and all those Godless cotton-polyester blends. *shudder*.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
You keep using "normal," but I do not think you know what it means. Gay people are not abnormal.

Yes, children do often have medical procedures pushed on them either for no benefit, or even to their detriment, because they are seen as property by unscrupulous parents. That's a travesty.
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Let's not quibble over normal since normal isn't an issue of good or bad. Being left handed, particularly short, particularly tall or having an IQ over 160 isn't normal, either.

Do you think it is an unscrupulous parent that opts for an abortion?

Oh my... seems you DO support parents inflicting medical procedures of their choice on their unborn children - up to and including aborting them. Seems you don't feel the love for Pro-Lifers.

wolfsgirl said:
I wonder how many pro-lifers would incubate, give birth to, and raise these children if fetal transplants were optional. Maybe science needs to look into transplants, then all these pro-force people would have to put up, or shut up.
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Papa bull said:
Why dump billions of dollars into finding a cure for gay? If someone would come up with such a test and cure for homosexuality, they'd reap windfall profits because virtually all parents would want to test and, i f necessary, treat their unborn child for it. I suppose it's possible some parents might think it would be swell to have their child born homosexual but most would prefer their child grow up normal if it was a simple test and treatment to assure that.

It would be the parent's choice. Unborn babies don't get to choose what sort of medical procedures they have performed on them.
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You make quite an assumption here when you say "virtually all", because no where near that many people are stupid homophobes. Maybe if you said "virtually all ignorant and inbred people living in the Pashtun region of Pakistan" you might have a point, but as is, you are just making things up and going with it.
 
Gardener said:
You make quite an assumption here when you say "virtually all", because no where near that many people are stupid homophobes. Maybe if you said "virtually all ignorant and inbred people living in the Pashtun region of Pakistan" you might have a point, but as is, you are just making things up and going with it.
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Parents aren't stupid homophobes for not wanting their children to grow up to be homosexuals, LOL. It would be the odd parent, indeed, that wouldn't nip that in the bud if it was quick, cheap and easy. You don't have to be a homophobe to want your child to grow up to have normal heterosexual relationships. You just have to want your child to not be "different" in that kind of way.
 
Papa bull said:
Parents aren't stupid homophobes for not wanting their children to grow up to be homosexuals, LOL. It would be the odd parent, indeed, that wouldn't nip that in the bud if it was quick, cheap and easy. You don't have to be a homophobe to want your child to grow up to have normal heterosexual relationships. You just have to want your child to not be "different" in that kind of way.
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You are simply projecting your own attitudes upon others here and assuming everybody is just like you.
 
Papa bull said:
Let's not quibble over normal since normal isn't an issue of good or bad. Being left handed, particularly short, particularly tall or having an IQ over 160 isn't normal, either.

Do you think it is an unscrupulous parent that opts for an abortion?

Oh my... seems you DO support parents inflicting medical procedures of their choice on their unborn children - up to and including aborting them. Seems you don't feel the love for Pro-Lifers.
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Someone who aborts chooses not to be a parent in the first place, and they have that right in the defense of their bodily integrity. Abortion is also not a medical procedure from the end of the fetus. It is a revocation of consent to occupy.

However, when something does not harm you, or them-- as a child being gay, or having a foreskin, etc -- you have no right to perform unnecessary medical procedures on them.
 
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