Is there an oversight by feminist upon societal bias towards female sexuality?

Hypersonic said:

I'm fairly new, so I'm not familiar with the attitudes of people but I assure you, I'm not looking for a fight, I just strongly and passionately disagree with you.

1) I personally know the guy and his ex as we three work at the same hospital, and grant it, I don't know her outside of work, I did have the unfortunate experience of reading text messages from his phone of her exclaiming to him that "he isn't raising their daughter around a new tramp and he will start paying child support since he can afford a new bitch." As you say, people often become petty, but I assure you among the 48% reasons why people divorce or breakup, and have custody disputes, pettiness is one of the reasons.

2) You have a sexist attitude regarding this point. You're saying in the presence of a naked or half naked body a man must challenge his professionalism while being among half naked women? Then you go on to say men may feel more comfortable parading around a woman naked? Truly that is sexism at its finest. I would assume for female athletes there is a level of discomfort of male journalist in their personal dress rooms because its not of the norm.

Do you hold the same belief of a male gynocologist? Do you believe a male gynocologist has a tough time being a professional?

3) I would've thought a responsible adult would have an obligation to control themselves. Like point two you seem to miss the idea that no adult ought to put hands on another adult, but you seem to rather put the responsibility upon the man to have self control yet the woman or women are ok to put hands on a man?

I'm not calling you sexist but points 2 and 3 have sexist ideology.

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opendebate said:

Fine, I'm a sexist. I think I am just accepting the current reality. I am not saying NO MAN is capable I'm just saying most men would find it a greater challenge than MOST women. In my opinion men and women are different, we simply are. I see that as a fact not a prejudice. A more realistic goal for equality is not to force ourselves to be the same but accept and even respect our differences. I am a woman and I am not as strong as most men. I am a woman and I am more emotionally acute than most men. That's not saying that men can't be. It's saying that IN GENERAL it's how things play out. Men and women are strong in different way. I respect the ways in which men are strong and EXPECT them to respect the ways in which I, as a woman, am stronger than them. Together we create a balanced unit. If that makes me sexist fine, I am sexist.

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Hypersonic said:

I never called you a sexist, I said your comments in point #2  were sexist. I believe we all can make prejudicial remarks and not know we've done so. But as far as reality I tend to think it's your reality. You have yet to address women who provoke physical altercations by attacking men you neither condone nor did you reject it. So your silence leads me to think women have some sort of immunity of deviant behavior because in that arena women are "weaker."


But hey, maybe you are sexist (insert sarcasm) I mean, judging by your generalizations of "most men" we men are incapable of self control and professionalism. Since you know most men, and I will put myself in your generalization since I am man, apparently I too, am not capable of professionalism. Since we are making generalizations here I tend to think most women lie, chest, are gold diggers, are incapable of independence because they lean on men with money. Most women don't critically think, most women lack common sense. Most women when they lose something tribial they rather call 911 instead of back tracking the item.

See how ridiculous generalizations sound?

If by meaning "most men" perhaps your better off saying most men you know...

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opendebate said:

I am not a girl, I am a grown woman and have known my fair share of men. Some would be capable and some wouldn't and again I never said they weren't capable I said it would more challenging.

As for your "assumptions" well ... you know what they say about assumptions. I do not believe that women are immune to being the aggressor, I do believe that if the woman is the aggressor it is not necessary for a man to use excessive force to protect himself. I also believe that the female aggressor should be treated by the system the same as a male aggressor. Also, what do you mean my "provoke" physical altercation. My smart mouth is not justification for a man to use his physical strength against me.

I agree with you that there are many women who behave just as you indicated. I would generalize again and say that compared to men women are more emotional and I would say that they are more calculating and they have a harder time letting stupid **** go. The problem with this conversation is that I think we all generalize and that it is unwise not to. The trick is to give each individual an opportunity to prove you wrong. I don't judge women or men for what I have learned are common behavioral choices for their gender. I do treasure those aspire for more. BTW... "common" sense is really quite subjective.

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Hypersonic said:

First and foremost I would like to add that I am personally against feminism due to the idea that feminism does not universally address the problems of all women (hence the notion of Black Feminist, Muslim Feminist etc), rather I believe the women's suffrage movement was more appropriately in addressing the sexism portrayed by white patriarchy in its time of development. According to some feminist, feminist philosophy is about equality and about challenging patriarchy, however despite this noble cause, feminism does not challenge notions of social biases towards women such as child support (which displays a clear bias towards women), journalism (male reporters are barred from entering the locker rooms of female athletes, but women aren't), and societal depictions of female frailty (men shouldn't hit women, but men are expected to take assaults from women). I've even seen some hardcore feminist (most notably Catherine Mackinnon) assert that softcore pronography objectifies women, and that male objectification is not objectification because pornography is about enticing men and satisfying patriarchy

I would like any self-acclaimed feminist if they would, address some societal double standards that feminism does not address?

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NoC_T said:

It's not that feminism/misandry trades in double standards, but that they were inevitably symptomatic of a position that necessitates a mythos of inequality. An enduring philosophy woven of double standards, only underscores the extent to which feminism not only tolerates, but excuses them where they manifest. That first-world, western women are in no way oppressed by men is considered somehow inapplicable to dialogue. Generational dissemination of a core philosophy that elevates pursuit of victimhood at the cost of a fabricated tormentor, sets the stage for a response of greater impact. Overcompensation always precedes equilibrium. From observation, Newton's Third Law kicked in some twenty years ago. Another twenty and we're good to go. So many sputtering flames snuffed to a fanfare of silence. Had I not learned patience, I do believe I should succumb to an ulcer in anticipation.

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Hypersonic said:

Good post ans especially what you meant when you said "overcompensation precedes equilibrium" which I find true today

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Hypersonic said:

For the record I was being sarcastic when I made those generalizations.

Frankly, our recent exchange has enhanced my disdain for feminism and truly the struggles of women is nothing more than a struggle for civil rights.

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opendebate said:

That's an interesting choice of words...."nothing more" what does that mean? And why the disdain for feminism? That's an awfully emotional response.

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