Thread: How many?

Originally Posted by tessaesque

Right. Because waiting until marriage is the only means of stopping the spread of STDs.

If you actually want to guarantee stop it, yes. With the added caveat that post-marriage one must remain faithful... and married. Everything else is generally reducing it off of the baseline of where it would otherwise be.

Originally Posted by cpwill

If you actually want to guarantee stop it, yes. With the added caveat that post-marriage one must remain faithful... and married. Everything else is generally reducing it off of the baseline of where it would otherwise be.

But we live in the real world, not some fantasy land.

Originally Posted by cpwill

If you actually want to guarantee stop it, yes. With the added caveat that post-marriage one must remain faithful... and married. Everything else is generally reducing it off of the baseline of where it would otherwise be.

In other words, no, marriage does not solve the problem of STD's. This is like saying crime would go away if people just stopped committing crimes. Well duh. As YS said, we live in reality, not a fantasy land.

I'm not sure if people are aware of this, but there's this thing called condoms, and as a responsible adult you can ask your partner to get tested, and also do so yourself, and refuse to sleep with them if they haven't or won't. Considering the rates of infidelity and divorce, I would say this works as well if not better than marriage.

Originally Posted by Your Star

But we live in the real world, not some fantasy land.

True enough. Saving ones-self for marriage and then not cheating on your spouse is the way to guarantee you avoid giving your spouse an STD (outside of the vanishingly rare blood-transfusion, etc stories), and if both partners do this, then the couple is guaranteed. This seems to be a path that folks in our culture today are... shall we say, less inclined to follow.

Originally Posted by cpwill

True enough. Saving ones-self for marriage and then not cheating on your spouse is the way to guarantee you avoid giving your spouse an STD (outside of the vanishingly rare blood-transfusion, etc stories), and if both partners do this, then the couple is guaranteed. This seems to be a path that folks in our culture today are... shall we say, less inclined to follow.

More like every culture, people just hid it when it was too socially unacceptable.

Nah. Peer pressure works - and people can be pressured in one direction or another.


Agreeably that's not an absolutist, but rather a relative claim, but the impact remains real.

Originally Posted by cpwill

Nah. Peer pressure works - and people can be pressured in one direction or another.


Agreeably that's not an absolutist, but rather a relative claim, but the impact remains real.

And it just makes people more ashamed of what they are doing, biology is just as if not more powerful than peer pressure. The Kinsey reports are proof of this.

OMG, it seems I'm a terrible slut. Oh well, it's a dark and lonely job but someone has to do it.

Originally Posted by Risky Thicket

Of course hookers count. Why wouldn't hookers count? Sex is sex. If you are suggesting that it doesnt count if you didn't enjoy it, I suspect we could all reduce our numbers a tad, even Bubba. But then again I can't remember stopping mid act because I had just thought of something more fun. I vote that the act counts and that includes oral sex among other things.

Originally Posted by Your Star

And it just makes people more ashamed of what they are doing,

Or ashamed to do it - which I am fine with shame is a powerful pressure.

Originally Posted by cpwill

Or ashamed to do it - which I am fine with shame is a powerful pressure.

Yeah, great way for people to live in constant shame! I tried that, didn't work.

And I love how you cut out and ignored the stuff about the Kinsey reports.