Thread: North Carolina’s Ban on Gay Marriage Appears Likely to Pass

Originally Posted by digsbe

Nope. As long as men only have to sign up for selective service and as long as woman have full rights regarding parenthood there is legal gender discrimination. You would need the EPC for your argument to be legally sound, which was not ratified. Many states have already banned gay marriage and those bans held up in court. If the SCOTUS takes this up and decides along your lines (which I find to be unlikely) then you are right, but as the law stands I don't think it would force states to allow women to marry women and men to marry men and that the states has the right to set the qualifications for marriage to be between two people of the opposite sex.

I just dont understand why you miss the point as to why these standards are in place that go with sex discrimination currently. Honestly, I don't think its fair that only men have to sign up for SS, but a) I also understand that there are some reasonable arguments to be made concerning a woman's biology and concerning the limitations that are mandated by me on the roles a woman can be in in the military proving to be an issue if they did reinstate the draft (it would actually be discriminatory to men, with current policies, to have women drafted, since women would have to fill up more of the support roles), and b) if it doesn't reach the SCOTUS, it cannot be argued. B) is a tenet in our system. The SCOTUS cannot just rule that something is unconstitutional without a case to rule on.

As for the parenthood part, if you are referring to abortion, she gets the say because it is her body carrying the baby. I may not agree with abortion, but I do understand the legality of the argument. As for parenting issues after the child, that has to do more with how judges and people apply the laws, rather than the actual laws discriminating, in most places. Again, I think this needs to change. But we are already seeing some of this change. Plus, it comes back to if someone can show blatant discrimination within the laws regarding custody of children, then it can be brought up to the courts.

Most of the bans that have come up in the last few years to the courts have not held up in those courts. Most of the cases are still going up through the system, waiting to see if they can get heard by the SCOTUS or waiting to be heard by them. There are a number of them. I think we will see more too, especially if it appears that the SCOTUS is either refusing to hear same sex marriage cases or refusing to overturn those laws. It took many court battles for interracial marriage to finally get full across-the-country recognition to be made by the SCOTUS. The decision even overturned at least one previous SCOTUS decision.

Originally Posted by digsbe

Nope. As long as men only have to sign up for selective service and as long as woman have full rights regarding parenthood there is legal gender discrimination. You would need the EPC for your argument to be legally sound, which was not ratified. Many states have already banned gay marriage and those bans held up in court. If the SCOTUS takes this up and decides along your lines (which I find to be unlikely) then you are right, but as the law stands I don't think it would force states to allow women to marry women and men to marry men and that the states has the right to set the qualifications for marriage to be between two people of the opposite sex.

Signing up for Selective Service isn't a right. I'm not sure what you mean by women having full rights regarding parenthood. Men have parenthood rights too. The opposition to SSM is about exclusion. When it becomes legal, not a single person is going to lose anything. Those opposed to SSM want to pretend that the religious and heterosexuals are going to lose something. They aren't.

As far as these people that ironically use the imagery of SSM being "shoved down their throats", they are just propagandists who know full well that SSM isn't going to be mandatory.

Originally Posted by digsbe

I was going to make a joke here but I figured I'd be hanged over it

Please, joke away.