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What Are The Positive, Enhancing Social Benefits of Homosexuality?

OscarB63 said:
really? look around and name me ONE person who was created by the genetic union of two men or two women. there are none. gay men have to get a female surrogate if they want a bio kid. gay women need a sperm donor and a turkey baster.

it's common knowledge, you don't have to take my word for anything
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Have it your own way... It seems to be a custom in DP to just make up stuff and expect everybody to buy it.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Would you believe me if I said the sky was blue, or would you need to check my sources for that? Sexual attraction has a biological purpose and it fulfills that purpose in the vast majority of the population. In the minority for whom their sexual attraction does not fulfill that purpose, it is malfunctioning.
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Viktyr Korimir said:
This is not Wikipedia and I am not your ****ing search engine. If you want to dispute my claims, feel free.
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It's pretty easy to dispute your claim since "purpose" is not apparent in nature. "Purpose" requires intent and there is no apparent intent behind nature. So when you claim that anything in nature has a purpose including sexual intercourse, then you have to ask "whose purpose?" For all you know sex has zero purpose or homosexual and heterosexual sex fulfill different purposes or the purpose is not procreation. So unless you can link us to the "designer's website" (a phrase I give credit to CC for), then your claims about purpose are without defense.
 
Removable Mind said:
Have it your own way... It seems to be a custom in DP to just make up stuff and expect everybody to buy it.
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really? I am making it up that it takes one human male and one human female to create one human baby?
 
OscarB63 said:
really? I am making it up that it takes one human male and one human female to create one human baby?
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Oscar...you jumped in on the follow...

Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
Would you believe me if I said the sky was blue, or would you need to check my sources for that? Sexual attraction has a biological purpose and it fulfills that purpose in the vast majority of the population. In the minority for whom their sexual attraction does not fulfill that purpose, it is malfunctioning.
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If you want to tell me that you're an expert in "SEXUAL ATTRACTION" or "BIOLOGICAL PURPOSE"...so be it. I still don't know you personally and by you providing information that supports your argument to boost your argument...GROOVY. If not, then I consider information that I don't take credible without more information OTHER than what you are providing...I'll assume your post is of your personal opinion.

The one male and one female to create a baby...that isn't the issue between me and your pal...Viktyr Korimir.

There are very observable human experiences that don't need a "source"... but I will let you know if I don't think that your argument includes one.

I'm done...thanks
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
This is not Wikipedia and I am not your ****ing search engine. If you want to dispute my claims, feel free.
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Viktyr, he's not interested in actual debate, he set up goal posts, unreachable ones of course, and is just trolling to attack anyone who isn't "pro-gay, all the way". It's why I copied, and revered his original thread position, to show this truth.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
This is not Wikipedia and I am not your ****ing search engine. If you want to dispute my claims, feel free.
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VK...you MADE THE CLAIM that there is a segment of the population, which are homosexuals that are defective humans because of their sexual orientation. You also claim that homosexuals have a defective "attraction mechanism".

What do you base your claims on what - Religion? - Personal opinion? - Opinion based on facts? If you are claiming facts...then I'd like to see something that supports your claim. Otherwise I consider "YOUR CLAIMS" to be personal opinion.
 
I'll try and address the OP seriously.

1. Population diversity. A greater number of differing outlooks and opinions makes for more complete distillation of ideas, and leads to better ideas. This also applies to genetics, since as we have discussed before, there are methods to allow homosexuals to pass on their genes to future generations.

2. Cultural nuances. It's been jokingly said that things like interior design and hairdressing are proof of positive contributions by gays, but let's take that seriously for a moment. A subculture has produced things that the larger culture has embraced and been grateful for. That is proof, right there.

3. Following one's nature brings happiness. Satisfied and happy people tend to have stronger immune systems, and are less prone to sickness. Preventing homosexuals from following their desires increases the cost of healthcare. Even if homosexuality is a learned behavior, rather than an innate one, there's certainly no evidence to suggest where it comes from. The children of gay parents are no more likely to be homosexual themselves. It is clearly not something that is preventable, so it must be supported.

4. There is no harm caused to society by some members of it living a different way from some others. And trying to force them to do differently makes us worse people. Toleration and support of homosexuals brings us closer to fulfilling American ideals. Supporting homosexuality makes us better people.
 
Paschendale said:
I'll try and address the OP seriously.

1. Population diversity. A greater number of differing outlooks and opinions makes for more complete distillation of ideas, and leads to better ideas. This also applies to genetics, since as we have discussed before, there are methods to allow homosexuals to pass on their genes to future generations.

2. Cultural nuances. It's been jokingly said that things like interior design and hairdressing are proof of positive contributions by gays, but let's take that seriously for a moment. A subculture has produced things that the larger culture has embraced and been grateful for. That is proof, right there.

3. Following one's nature brings happiness. Satisfied and happy people tend to have stronger immune systems, and are less prone to sickness. Preventing homosexuals from following their desires increases the cost of healthcare. Even if homosexuality is a learned behavior, rather than an innate one, there's certainly no evidence to suggest where it comes from. The children of gay parents are no more likely to be homosexual themselves. It is clearly not something that is preventable, so it must be supported.

4. There is no harm caused to society by some members of it living a different way from some others. And trying to force them to do differently makes us worse people. Toleration and support of homosexuals brings us closer to fulfilling American ideals. Supporting homosexuality makes us better people.
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Paschendale...even if I agree, which I do for the most part... I have to ask. Is your arguments based on personal opinion or opinions based on facts?
 
Removable Mind said:
Paschendale...even if I agree, which I do for the most part... I have to ask. Is your arguments based on personal opinion or opinions based on facts?
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jeebus christo...can't you do anything other than bleat, "prove it"
 
OscarB63 said:
jeebus christo...can't you do anything other than bleat, "prove it"
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Can't you be civil? I didn't ask him to prove anything! I asked if his post was based on personal opinion or opinions based on facts. I know that bothers you to have to acknowledge that most of your posts are personal opinions and not based in facts.
 
Removable Mind said:
Can't you be civil? I didn't ask him to prove anything! I asked if his post was based on personal opinion or opinions based on facts. I know that bothers you to have to acknowledge that most of your posts are personal opinions and not based in facts.
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is that your personal opinion or can you back that up with facts? ;)

holy crap...someone....GASP...posts their personal opinion of a interwebz forum...say it ain't so :roll:
 
Removable Mind said:
Paschendale...even if I agree, which I do for the most part... I have to ask. Is your arguments based on personal opinion or opinions based on facts?
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If it were to say "Earth orbits the sun", would you require me to back that up? Did I say anything that is subject to controversy? Did I make any claims that are not irrefutable facts? Would you require me to cite a study showing that people tend to eat food that tastes good over food that does not? Do you need me to find you a study that shows that morale boosts the immune system? That's common knowledge. As common as "cars run on gasoline."
 
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Paschendale said:
If it were to say "Earth orbits the sun", would you require me to back that up? Did I say anything that is subject to controversy? Did I make any claims that are not irrefutable facts? Would you require me to cite a study showing that people tend to eat food that tastes good over food that does not? Do you need me to find you a study that shows that morale boosts the immune system? That's common knowledge. As common as "cars run on gasoline."
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Paschendale...I'm not criticizing your post. I'm not trying to be an ass. I said that I agree with your post, AND...I didn't asked YOU TO PROVE OR BACKUP your post. I just asked if your opinion was personal or factual?

I need to clarify an issue that is pissing some people off - royally.

I started a thread, which its titled is the same as this thread, but with the word "Negative instead of "Positive" in which I asked people if possible to support their arguments. I posted before this thread was created.

I have a reason for asking people to please try to provide sources if their post was based on their claims to be facts...

None of us "personally" know who other members are. We don't know what each others professional or vocational experiences. We don't know what each others education background is. We don't usually know much of anything about another member.

But more to the point...

We don't know what makes another person's opinions valid to the facts or theories, which are posted to a respective thread topic or response to another member's comments.

I'm simply asking that if an opinion is a personal opinion or a religious opinion then let us all in on that. If an expressed opinion is based on facts or theories created by someone other than him or her...then it would be really, really good to get a link to their source.

Often time people use abstract words...such as "morals" which has different meaning to each and every person. It would be really nice to understand how that what that word means to the poster so that we can all follow along with their reasoning behind their arguments.

The same arguments are groveled over again and again with using nothing but personal opinions.

Personal opinions are neither fact nor theory. They are not in the domain of empirical observations, which have some statical significance (obvious to everybody regardless of personal opinions).

Personal opinions aren't part of any empirical studies that are used to measure or evaluate a experiences, events, theories, or hypothesis that have produced fragments of usable, functional information.

Religious opinions are derived from a particular belief system...or better put according to Webster:

(1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural

(2) commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

(4) a system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Unless an argument is about religion...applying a religious belief to a topic that is connected to human experiences outside of religion...there is no "empirical" means to suggest a religious opinion "right or wrong". Religious arguments are totally subjective beliefs...not objective.

Opinions based on facts: opinion based on evidence, or if you will “record facts”.

In other words, "Assumed facts" must be adduced through evidence other than personal opinion – i.e., they must be in the record form sources that are retrieved from reliable and acceptable my most authorities and/or consumers.

AGAIN - If a poster is making the claim that his or her post is based on facts...then it would be really nice to see a link to their source...so it can be evaluated by other posters. If personal opinions or religious opinions are posted...be nice to know that.

Thanks...

HOWEVER...this isn't my thread... enough said? Some people don't care about truth or Facts
 
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Read what I wrote. Take a guess if it's fact or opinion. I'm taking offense because it's blatantly obvious.
 
Paschendale said:
Read what I wrote. Take a guess if it's fact or opinion. I'm taking offense because it's blatantly obvious.
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Pasch...

I didn't mean to slam or degrade you opinion. I said I agreed. But in thread related to highly charge topics like homosexuality and abortion... People post personal opinions masked as facts.

I'm not implying you were you were dumping nonsense or untruths in your post...



Even if you and I agree on your points...there's every possibility that others won't. I'm as guilty as many by not starting my post with "IN MY OPINION", because if I don't and it comes off like I'm trying to factualize my post...then if I get called on it with facts that has sources posted, then I deserve being called on it.

My question wasn't meant to offend you. Sorry..

You and I are frequently on the same page when it comes to "opinions". That said, I need to be more attentive to how I frame my post..meaning I need to add before my post "in my opinion".

Thanks
 
Removable Mind said:
. That said, I need to be more attentive to how I frame my post..meaning I need to add before my post "in my opinion".

Thanks
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typically, unless someone makes a claim that their post is fact or they provide a link, I assume that what they are posting is their opinion. what bugs me is when someone posts what is clearly their opinion and then some jugheaded crybaby runs in and starts screaming for them to "prove it" (not claiming this is what you did, BTW but there are people on this forum that, rather than debate or argue a point, simply cry for "proof" of every statement anyone makes.)
 
OscarB63 said:
typically, unless someone makes a claim that their post is fact or they provide a link, I assume that what they are posting is their opinion. what bugs me is when someone posts what is clearly their opinion and then some jugheaded crybaby runs in and starts screaming for them to "prove it" (not claiming this is what you did, BTW but there are people on this forum that, rather than debate or argue a point, simply cry for "proof" of every statement anyone makes.)
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You know what they say about "ASSUME"...
 
OscarB63 said:
tell that to any theoretical physicist or chemist... ;)
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Oscar...you've become a victim of your own doing. If you read my opening thread and YOU didn't like my request for those who posted in this thread...THEN YOU SHOULDN'T have felt compelled to post anything.

Nobody is forced to respond to any thread...
 
Removable Mind said:
Oscar...you've become a victim of your own doing. If you read my opening thread and YOU didn't like my request for those who posted in this thread...THEN YOU SHOULDN'T have felt compelled to post anything.

Nobody is forced to respond to any thread...
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and yet you keep replying to my posts.....
 
Homosexuality makes half the men more docile at any one time.
 
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