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Is a Liberal Soldier an Oxymoron?

Is a Liberal Soldier an Oxymoron?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • No

    Votes: 13 81.3%

  • Total voters
    16
And I agree that sheer cruelty and brutality can be effective in subduing a population. But we Americans are generally not by nature a sheerly brutal and cruel people.

This is exactly why we remain uncommitted to defeat our enemies. Was not our viciousness in Europe as cruel as our enemies? Was not our execution of Japanese in the heat of two atomic blasts a cruel means to an end? Did all those "soldiers" not come home to their families and to our society with the intention of putting the war behind them? Was America's values destroyed as we went on to blast city after city with nuclear weapons there after? America has proven that we can get a job done by facing our enemies with pure power and viciousness while maintaining our most cherished values. And we have proven that we know when to apply a certain amount of power without sliping down that slope our critics always warn us about. But we have lost our way. Somewhere along the line our critics have imbedded themselves into our society and has weakened our resolve. We have become a society that needs to be warned about "imminent threats" before we can address a monster of a threat that doesn't wear a uniform or to simply pave the way for a better life of people that blame us for all woes. We have imagined ourselves a sense of PC "higher" morality that restricts us from looking at the world for what it is. For milliniums the brutal dictator has been accepted and in the past two centuries he has been encouraged as long as he killed selectively. Today, the consequences of a world being made wrong, threatens us.

"Radical Islam" and "religious fundamental" were unaccepted terms during the 90's. Today we have a President that talks about Radical Islam, but does he really understand what is going on out there? And what about all those politicians underneath them that are more inclined to pad their approval polls than to make the decisions "good" people don't like? And what is the face of Middle Eastern Islam going to look like as they inevitably attain nuclear arms? Our Washington leaderships had gotten themselves into a nasty habit of trying to defeat our enemies through the microphone. We had borrowed the tactics of Europe to ensure that cruelty thrives as long as a tyrant held the "peace" together by any means necessary through diplomatic deals that fatten the pockets of the defense industry and politicians alike. Today we are denying global events in a hopes that the problems will fix themselves in the absence of the colonial powers and American/Soviet influence. We look at Radical Islam today with and shoot off our mouths with the same irresponsibility of western Europeans that looked silently on Nazi Germany (which took two years of convincing for even the American powers to do something). A basic rule of warfare has been ignored long enough - never tell your enemy what you intend to do. Reflect on President Roosevet's words - "walk softly, and carry a big stick." President Clinton bragged that he would bring terrorists to justice but did nothing to fulfill his public promise. President Bush announced that he would bring terrorists to justice, but then he let his re-election campaign wreck us in Iraq in 2004 (where the administration hardly fought to win). And who can forget "Mission Accomplished" after Baghdad fell to America's best? Our enemy didn't forget it. Especially all those Baathist loyalists that never even saw an American. Everytime that we make such bold statements or that we promises to do something militarily only to fail to do it-ussually for ephemeral political reasons-we suffer a defeat far more serious than those who focus only on domestic opinion polls realize. By blustering, and then revealing ourselves as weak willed, we tarnish the image of irresistable American strength.

Partial victories are not real victories. Such things give way for back room deals that allow tyranny to maintain a presence. And anyone with a sense of warfare knows that wars are not necessarily won by the best equipped, or the best trained, or the biggest armies. They are won by those who persevere, whose leaders do not waver, who realize that today's "catastrophe" will look less fearsome by morning, and who are determined to win no matter what it takes, or how long it takes, or what accusations a restive press raises against them.

This isn't a Liberal/Conservative or Republican/Democrat global problem. But it is a Liberal/Conservative or Republican/Democrat encouraged struggle. If our politicians (who have never had to face an enemy or even worn a uniform) decide that we need to go to war, our military leaders must be allowed to decide the technical details of how to fight. We have the most loyal, obedient armed forces in history, but that is no reason for our elected officials to abuse our military establishment or risk the lioves of our troops unnecessarily. If an issue is so vital that we decide that we must got to war or otherwise intervene with military forces, we must have the common sense and decency to let our "soldiers" win. And our "soldiers" are Liberals and Conservatives.
 
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By ptskid
**I do not know you personally, but I do know liberalism like the back of my hand; and I've never used the back of my hand for anything, i.e. it's useless.

Not only is that metaphore illogical, it is really doesn't make any sense, it is insensical and lacks sensitude. It also lacks logic AND logical sense. More importantly it is like what you dislike. Choosing Not to use your hand in no way detracts that you COULD use your hand. Not recognizing the use of something does not mean that it is useless, it only means that you are blind to that use.

Also, didn't I see you use the back of your hand to wipe away the drool dribbling from your mouth the other day?
 
Not only is that metaphore illogical, it is really doesn't make any sense, it is insensical and lacks sensitude. It also lacks logic AND logical sense. More importantly it is like what you dislike. Choosing Not to use your hand in no way detracts that you COULD use your hand. Not recognizing the use of something does not mean that it is useless, it only means that you are blind to that use.

Also, didn't I see you use the back of your hand to wipe away the drool dribbling from your mouth the other day?

***Couldn't quite follow all of your ragtime double talk--but did you mention something about taking a back hand to the side of your face or something?
 
***Couldn't quite follow all of your ragtime double talk--but did you mention something about taking a back hand to the side of your face or something?

Oh...Oh...yeah that was funny, right. Okay, let me laugh then HAR HAR HARRR HARRR...:roll:
 
Moderator's Warning:
Well, I tried to keep this geared towards a conversation around the military and political Liberalism/Conservatism, but failed. Bickering is fine and encourages passion in writing, but not constructive when dismissing the topic. Instead of closing it I will just send this senseless bickering to the basement.
 
I'm done Gunny. :)

Originally Posted by Iriemon
And I agree that sheer cruelty and brutality can be effective in subduing a population. But we Americans are generally not by nature a sheerly brutal and cruel people.

Now,
I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung.
Americans traditionally love to fight.
All real Americans love the sting of battle.

When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer.

Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war.

Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, an Army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating. :rofl

We have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. You know, by God I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against. By God, I do.

We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun (TERRORIST) bastards by the bushel.

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy.

Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly.

When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

Now there’s another thing I want you to remember. I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position.
We’re not holding anything. Let the Hun do that.
We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ***.

We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose.


There’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home. And you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what did you do in the great World War II, you won’t have to say, "Well, I shoveled **** in Louisiana." :rofl

Alright now, you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel. Oh, and I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle – anytime, anywhere.

That’s all.

Enough said!
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Well, I tried to keep this geared towards a conversation around the military and political Liberalism/Conservatism, but failed. Bickering is fine and encourages passion in writing, but not constructive when dismissing the topic. Instead of closing it I will just send this senseless bickering to the basement.

Oh you're my hero :roll:
 
Dude, I told you I will not put the tights and cape on for you.

I knew what I had for lunch would look better on my keyboard...:2sick1:


:mrgreen:
 
Dude, I told you I will not put the tights and cape on for you.

You just caused me to spray coffee all over my desk. I'm so glad you haven't lost your sense of humor. :2wave:
 
Originally Posted by GySgt
Dude, I told you I will not put the tights and cape on for you.

But ptskid will still dream, you know he will!
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.

Hrmmm. Nice. I would probably break you in half if I ever heard this in person.
 
No, you would take pity on him after seeing him weasel and whine as he has been doing in trying to be a tough punk kid. It is pathetic. :lol:
 
Hmmm. I generally find Obama08 to be very thoughtful. Comments like that seem out of character.
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.

Geez with all the controversy over the name "Obama" you use the name to spout this garbarge! :roll:
 
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