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my last apple device

Rico Suave said:
May I suggest a Samsung Note 7. Very powerful battery.
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I hear it's explosively good. In fact the rumors about its large capacity are positively catching fire.
 
Rico Suave said:
May I suggest a Samsung Note 7. Very powerful battery.
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Low one....

Can go lower and say buy a 6 or 6plus and get an already pre-broken screen.. :)

Regardless, the Note 7 is superior to the iPhone 7S. Of course the manufacturing issue with the batteries is bad, but it is getting fixed. At least Samsung did a recall, unlike Apple that refused to recall the iPhone 4 with its clearly badly designed antenna. Or when the 6 and 6plus bend.. no recall. Touch disease on the 6 and 6 plus.. no recall. Apple Maps.. remove it from the phone? (yes they can), no.. just recommend Google Maps instead.. err what? You made Apple failmaps as default and you cant change that on iOS!

Apple has a long history of faulty products with no recalls..
 
PeteEU said:
Low one....

Can go lower and say buy a 6 or 6plus and get an already pre-broken screen.. :)

Regardless, the Note 7 is superior to the iPhone 7S. Of course the manufacturing issue with the batteries is bad, but it is getting fixed. At least Samsung did a recall, unlike Apple that refused to recall the iPhone 4 with its clearly badly designed antenna. Or when the 6 and 6plus bend.. no recall. Touch disease on the 6 and 6 plus.. no recall. Apple Maps.. remove it from the phone? (yes they can), no.. just recommend Google Maps instead.. err what? You made Apple failmaps as default and you cant change that on iOS!

Apple has a long history of faulty products with no recalls..
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Sheesh, at least wait for the iphone 7s to be announced before concluding it sucks (although it most likely will).
 
Everyone is different of course with different needs. I love my iPhone 6 and only use my Galaxy when I have to. Just personal preference

I haven't used my headphone jack on my IPhone 6 once since having it since I use Bluetooth headphones. I kept breaking the earbud earphones I always bought. I would roll them up and put them in my pocket and I guess doing that all the time damaged the wiring. I would go through several pair a year. Then I bought a pair of these and I never had that problem again:

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I always have them on hidden under my collar. I charge them maybe twice a week.

So giving up a headphone jack to make more room for the battery and a better camera is a win for a person like me. And I like having thinner phones because it gives me more options when it comes to the covers. I prefer having covers because I like the way some of them look and some of them even have functions of their own.

But I get why some people aren't into the changes. First, as much as I love my Bluetooth earphones they cost around $100. Not everyone is able, or willing, to spend that kind of money on earphones. Some people are "audiophiles" and claim they can tell the difference in sound quality. I can't but that's just me. And some people don't like phone cases and thinner phones can be problematic without a case.
 
BrewerBob said:
Everyone is different of course with different needs. I love my iPhone 6 and only use my Galaxy when I have to. Just personal preference

I haven't used my headphone jack on my IPhone 6 once since having it since I use Bluetooth headphones. I kept breaking the earbud earphones I always bought. I would roll them up and put them in my pocket and I guess doing that all the time damaged the wiring. I would go through several pair a year. Then I bought a pair of these and I never had that problem again:

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I always have them on hidden under my collar. I charge them maybe twice a week.

So giving up a headphone jack to make more room for the battery and a better camera is a win for a person like me. And I like having thinner phones because it gives me more options when it comes to the covers. I prefer having covers because I like the way some of them look and some of them even have functions of their own.

But I get why some people aren't into the changes. First, as much as I love my Bluetooth earphones they cost around $100. Not everyone is able, or willing, to spend that kind of money on earphones. Some people are "audiophiles" and claim they can tell the difference in sound quality. I can't but that's just me. And some people don't like phone cases and thinner phones can be problematic without a case.
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You only charge them twice a week? That's good.

I get 5-6 hours from my bluetooth earphones.

I usually use blutooth earphones, not wired ones. But again, I'm retired, so it's usually an hour here, an hour there. Maybe a ballgame for 3 hours. So I have plenty of time to charge them.. But if I was working and had to use my BT phones all day, I would think I'd have to charge them at least once a day. Which would be a pain.
 
Cardinal said:
Sheesh, at least wait for the iphone 7s to be announced before concluding it sucks (although it most likely will).
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It has been announced :) and presented.. you can pre-order it now. Many "pro Apple fanboy sites" have had it for a few weeks and are reviewing it now. iOS has been in public beta for months, so we know much of the new "crap" that comes with that.

Fact is.. dual cameras has been done before. The "new" thing here is the mechanical zoom on one of the the cameras.. but only 2 x zoom, and the rest is software as usual. Hardly mind blowing. It does however have a bigger aperture than the Note 7.. 1.8 vs 1.7, so it should at least on paper give slightly better pictures in the dark.

They also removed the mechanical home button with a "touch one", similar to the tech in the newest Mac Books trackpads.

The phone jack is gone. You now need a 49 dollar adapter to charge and hear music via wire at the same time or buy a 100+ dollar wireless ear buds of some kind.

So we know a lot :) since it has been presented already and is for sale.
 
PeteEU said:
It has been announced :) and presented.. you can pre-order it now. Many "pro Apple fanboy sites" have had it for a few weeks and are reviewing it now. iOS has been in public beta for months, so we know much of the new "crap" that comes with that.

Fact is.. dual cameras has been done before. The "new" thing here is the mechanical zoom on one of the the cameras.. but only 2 x zoom, and the rest is software as usual. Hardly mind blowing. It does however have a bigger aperture than the Note 7.. 1.8 vs 1.7, so it should at least on paper give slightly better pictures in the dark.

They also removed the mechanical home button with a "touch one", similar to the tech in the newest Mac Books trackpads.

The phone jack is gone. You now need a 49 dollar adapter to charge and hear music via wire at the same time or buy a 100+ dollar wireless ear buds of some kind.

So we know a lot :) since it has been presented already and is for sale.
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Psst. The iphone 7 is out. The iphone 7s hasn't been made yet.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
You only charge them twice a week? That's good.

I get 5-6 hours from my bluetooth earphones.

I usually use blutooth earphones. But again, I'm retired, so it's usually an hour here, an hour there. Maybe a ballgame for 3 hours. But if I was working and had to use my BT phones all day, I would think I'd have to charge them at least once a day. Which would be a pain.
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What kind do you use? Are they just earbuds? I can see them not lasting as long. The reason I like the ones that go around the neck, other than being hard to lose, is there is more room for the battery. Admittedly, while I only charge them twice a week, I have never counted how many hours I use them a day. I use them at lunch, when I am working out, shopping, and in bed just before going to sleep.
 
BrewerBob said:
What kind do you use? Are they just earbuds? I can see them not lasting as long. The reason I like the ones that go around the neck, other than being hard to lose, is there is more room for the battery. Admittedly, while I only charge them twice a week, I have never counted how many hours I use them a day. I use them at lunch, when I am working out, shopping, and in bed just before going to sleep.
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Yeah, that's true. They are just earbuds. That's a good point. So they have a much smaller battery than the ones you use.
 
BrewerBob said:
Everyone is different of course with different needs. I love my iPhone 6 and only use my Galaxy when I have to. Just personal preference

I haven't used my headphone jack on my IPhone 6 once since having it since I use Bluetooth headphones. I kept breaking the earbud earphones I always bought. I would roll them up and put them in my pocket and I guess doing that all the time damaged the wiring. I would go through several pair a year. Then I bought a pair of these and I never had that problem again:
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The standard iPhone earbuds that come with the iPhone or some other ones? Apple has a very bad history of piss poor wires, and the lighting connectors they make are so rubbish. I have had my Samsung earbuds for 3 years with no problem, and they are being squashed in my pocket and so on.

So giving up a headphone jack to make more room for the battery and a better camera is a win for a person like me.
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Both of which you wont get with the iPhone 7. Battery is the same, and the camera has nothing to do with the headphone jack. In fact what has "replaced" the headphone jack is a new haptic feedback home button.

And I like having thinner phones because it gives me more options when it comes to the covers. I prefer having covers because I like the way some of them look and some of them even have functions of their own.
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TBH.. should not be a need for covers... else what the hell is the point of the fancy colours you can get? At best a screen protector is needed.. and this goes for all phones.
 
BrewerBob said:
Everyone is different of course with different needs. I love my iPhone 6 and only use my Galaxy when I have to. Just personal preference

I haven't used my headphone jack on my IPhone 6 once since having it since I use Bluetooth headphones. I kept breaking the earbud earphones I always bought. I would roll them up and put them in my pocket and I guess doing that all the time damaged the wiring. I would go through several pair a year. Then I bought a pair of these and I never had that problem again:

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I always have them on hidden under my collar. I charge them maybe twice a week.

So giving up a headphone jack to make more room for the battery and a better camera is a win for a person like me. And I like having thinner phones because it gives me more options when it comes to the covers. I prefer having covers because I like the way some of them look and some of them even have functions of their own.

But I get why some people aren't into the changes. First, as much as I love my Bluetooth earphones they cost around $100. Not everyone is able, or willing, to spend that kind of money on earphones. Some people are "audiophiles" and claim they can tell the difference in sound quality. I can't but that's just me. And some people don't like phone cases and thinner phones can be problematic without a case.
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I see "LG" on those, but what model are they?
 
You don't need to get rid of the headphone jack to have a better battery or a camera. The competition has shown this regularly.

Apple's (I should say Ive's) fetish for thinner and thinner products each release cycle is what is hampering the internal space issue. If the resulting case doesn't fit the Apple "look," Apple's first thought is if it can justify chucking out some of the internals. That's why they focus so heavily on showcasing to the public their manufacturing process. It's designed to make you think that not only is it well constructed, it is constructed with intelligence and usability in mind (even when it's not).
 
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Cardinal said:
Headphone are just smaller speakers, so sure, obviously it's more difficult to engineer smaller headphones, but forcing the sound files to compress further via bluetooth and adding the pressure of having to deal with drastically shortened battery life is a gratuitously added nuisance. It's a step down. It's not even a lateral move.

By the time bluetooth "catches up" (which I think is really a misplaced belief), there will be significantly advanced smart phone models. Nobody is going to be happy with the idea that in five or ten years' time, their iphone 7 will be "just right." They'll want to own the iphone 15s.
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Bluetooth headphoen battery life is pretty great. My IEM and over the ear phones run at 8 and 20 hours respectively. I do have a spare cheapo wired pair lying around on the rare occasion they're both dead but I can't recall the last time that was the case, even though I don't make a concerted effort to charge them. I will admit that RRP for them was $150+ (although I got deals on them both) which can be tough to swallow, but they're becoming cheaper and cheaper by the day and the iphone7 news is only going to accelerate that (like it or not, they're gonna ship millions of units, which headphone manufacturers are going to target).

Further, most people stream music these days anyway. Spotify streams @ 92-320kbps and Apple Music @ 256kbps. So the bluetooth transfer really isn't the bottleneck when it comes to sound quality. Neither of them stack up to my custom grado cups but most people aren't really listening to lossless formats on their phone anyway.

I won't be getting an iphone 7 (my 6 is just fine, thankyou) but I'm not feeling the hate. The argument re the amount of underlying processing power and bigger batteries is pretty moot in my opinion because at the end of the day what's important is real world performance. A diff phone might have an extra 1000mA battery but if that's used up by the extra 1GHz of clockspeed, but doesn't actually make my phone any faster then what's the point?

I do think an extra mm or 2 thickness for increased battery size in general (and incorporation of the camera bump into the main body) would still be great.
 
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Nilly said:
Bluetooth headphoen battery life is pretty great. My IEM and over the ear phones run at 8 and 20 hours respectively. I do have a spare cheapo wired pair lying around on the rare occasion they're both dead but I can't recall the last time that was the case, even though I don't make a concerted effort to charge them.

Further, most people stream music these days anyway. Spotify streams @ 92-320kbps and Apple Music @ 256kbps. So the bluetooth transfer really isn't the bottleneck when it comes to sound quality. Neither of them stack up to my custom grado cups but most people aren't really listening to lossless formats on their phone anyway.

I won't be getting an iphone 7 (my 6 is just fine, thankyou) but I'm not feeling the hate. The argument re the amount of underlying processing power and bigger batteries is pretty moot in my opinion because at the end of the day what's important is real world performance. A diff phone might have an extra 1000mA battery but if that's used up by the extra 1GHz of clockspeed, but doesn't actually make my phone any faster then what's the point?

I do think an extra mm or 2 thickness for increased battery size in general (and incorporation of the camera bump) would be my preference.
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The codec and bitrate are just one facet of the overall experience. It's not necessarily that with 96 Kbps tracks, Bluetooth sets will be transparent. They still may not be thanks to the other artifacts thrown into the mix. Likewise, 256 Kbps is ABX transparent to most folks, even with decent to excellent gear. Without that mid-level audiophile gear variable, recent 128 Kbps rips may be transparent for the majority of the populace. But they could still notice the effect of Bluetooth on their listening experience.
 
Fiddytree said:
The codec and bitrate are just one facet of the overall experience. It's not necessarily that with 96 Kbps tracks, Bluetooth sets will be transparent. They still may not be thanks to the other artifacts thrown into the mix. Likewise, 256 Kbps is ABX transparent to most folks, even with decent to excellent gear. Without that mid-level audiophile gear variable, recent 128 Kbps rips may be transparent for the majority of the populace. But they could still notice the effect of Bluetooth on their listening experience.
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With older versions of bluetooth sure, but with 3.0 and 4.0 it's usually the actual quality of the headphone itself rather than the wire vs bluetooth that's causing the most sound degradation. Wired isn't always better than bluetooth, you can get a better sound on a good set of wireless headphones than a bad set of wired ones, so it's misleading to just say that bluetooth = bad sound quality.
 
Cardinal said:
I bought the iphone 6s last year and, despite a couple misgivings, I'll stand by it as being a very good phone. It's very fast (antutu bench mark of 132,500) and (get ready for it) just works. The misgivings are that the 3d touch in my opinion is ultimately an unnecessary gimmick, and the need for making phones slimmer passed its necessary threshold with the first iphone all the way back in 2007. After that point, thinner phones became a liability rather than an asset. As a result of making the 6s thinner I was forced to buy a case just so it wouldn't slip out of my hands. And what was lost as a result of this thinner design? Oh, just a little thing called the battery. Here's what I believe the majority of people want from their phones:

1) A fast processor and a lot of ram (speed)
2) A big goddamn battery
3) Lots of storage for games, music and cat videos
4) A beautiful display

Iphone users were able to look the other way while other manufacturers consistently added faster processors, more ram, larger batteries (the Galaxy s7 has a 3000mAh beast while the 6s sports one nearly half that capacity), and mini sd card slots that allowed you to upgrade your storage by up to 128G or more -- and all because you have to admit that the intra-apple functionality is incredibly fluid.

But then even the most die-hard Apple fans will be forced to admit that there is a problem when, in response to the demands of customers, Apple decides to...remove the headphone jack. So now, if you want to listen to non-proprietory headphones with your device you'll need to carry around the adapter the iphone comes with because the lightning port is the only port you have to power the phone or listen to music. Did you see how I wrote "or" listen to your music? Yeah, that wasn't a typo. You get to listen to your music. Or you get to charge your phone. But worry not! Belkin has come to the rescue with a giant dongle that splits the lightning port into two lightning ports, one for your proprietary apple headphones and one for your charger. And what if you're still one of those extremely rare old people who still own 3.5mm jack headphones? Worry not! After you buy your giant Belkin lightning port splitter, you can from there add your adapter to the splitter thereby allowing you to listen to your ancient 3.5mm jack headphones (in case my sarcasm isn't being successfully communicated, essentially all headphones on earth use the 3.5mm jack).

After a point you have to admit that the Apple royalty in their tower are not listening to the desires of the unwashed masses. After my iphone 6s becomes obsolete enough to piss me off, it's off to another manufacturer. By that time Apple will probably get all the way up to 4G of ram while every other competitor features 16G of RAM, a quad core 8.5GHz processor, a terrabyte of storage, waterproofing, inductive charging, artificial intelligence that will solve my relationship problems...and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Favorite comment from the ars technica article:



Belkin?not Apple?comes to the rescue with an iPhone 7 headphone-and-charge dongle | Ars Technica
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I would think that pretty much anyone who ever owned an Apple product would have made it their last. Over-priced, under-performing for the $ and more of a cultural statement than a good piece of tech...
 
I've got an iPhone six so I'm waiting out this refresh cycle but the iPhone 7s is said to have by far the best camera on the market. I'm waiting on the 10th anniversary edition.
 
faithful_servant said:
I would think that pretty much anyone who ever owned an Apple product would have made it their last. Over-priced, under-performing for the $ and more of a cultural statement than a good piece of tech...
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As long as it's functional the "plug and play" aspect as well as the cross-platform compatibility is awfully enticing. Take away expected, basic functionality and the whole thing crumbles on itself, as I believe has officially happened with the iphone 7.
 
Nilly said:
With older versions of bluetooth sure, but with 3.0 and 4.0 it's usually the actual quality of the headphone itself rather than the wire vs bluetooth that's causing the most sound degradation. Wired isn't always better than bluetooth, you can get a better sound on a good set of wireless headphones than a bad set of wired ones, so it's misleading to just say that bluetooth = bad sound quality.
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You're right. Thanks for holding that to
me.
 
faithful_servant said:
I would think that pretty much anyone who ever owned an Apple product would have made it their last. Over-priced, under-performing for the $ and more of a cultural statement than a good piece of tech...
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Not really.

I made a re-entry into the digital audio player market after my iPod Classic 160 gb's battery was on its last legs. I purchased the Sony NW-A17.

While the Sony NW-A17 often had superior codec support (except Audible), a better DAC, expandable storage, and a more functional equalizer than my trusty iPod, I noticed it lacked some crucial interface features I had used since the upper 2000s.

For instance, while the Sony has a playlist mode that uses beats per minute to curate a playlist, it has several weaknesses in this front. On the iPod I was able to rate songs on the fly and have it automatically update with the smart playlists I had created. The Sony, on the other hand, has a smart playlist-like feature, but doesn't allow me to interact with the files in a similar way. I can't rate tracks unless I am on my computer.

Several other choices like this made me realize that even though Apple had this nailed down nearly a decade ago, Sony hasn't felt the need to allow their player to be semi-autonomous.

When I was searching through other music players in the wake of Apple exiting its classic iPod, I was dismayed and surprised that no one had completely filled in the vacuum. There were players out there with incredible hardware and storage space, but their operating system sucked, or maybe their battery life was dismal (like 6-8 hours). You searched around and it was the same story. Maybe the software and battery life was there, but the storage capacity sucked. There was no well-rounded player.

Then Sony stepped up and mostly filled in the hole, but like I said, there's a great deal about this player that just doesn't fill the void left by Apple.
 
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I just plugged in my Moto G4 to charge. When I did it I thought of other phones, laptops and 1 iPod I had where the charging port became 'iffy' from the constant plugging and unplugging. The iPod still works, if I plug it in just right. But I seldom use it anymore, soooo.

1 Laptop and 1 phone are in my closet because they completely stopped charging because the port came loose.

Just a thought on what using this 'lightening' port for an additional use will do to the port. Maybe nothing. IDK.
 
roughdraft274 said:
All I know is that I went from a galaxy S3 to an Iphone 5S and I can't wait for this POS to break so I can go out and get a galaxy again. There's just no comparison as far as I'm concerned. The system is more fluid, the screen is better, more durable in general, the back and menu button on the face of the galaxy etc. etc.
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We are looking to update, as the Note 7 has been pulled, I will be going with this one.
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
 
Nilly said:
With older versions of bluetooth sure, but with 3.0 and 4.0 it's usually the actual quality of the headphone itself rather than the wire vs bluetooth that's causing the most sound degradation. Wired isn't always better than bluetooth, you can get a better sound on a good set of wireless headphones than a bad set of wired ones, so it's misleading to just say that bluetooth = bad sound quality.
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Moving in 37 days and counting. Will be going wireless for music. At this point, as we have time looking at Sonos speakers.
 
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