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my last apple device

Cardinal said:
Oh, just a little thing called the battery. Here's what I believe the majority of people want from their phones:

1) A fast processor and a lot of ram (speed)
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To be honest.. processor speed is a gimmick... Yes duo core, quad core, octa core.. bla bla bla.. marketing bull**** in most situations as most apps can only use one core anyways. What these companies do (and it aint Apple only) is say.. oh we are faster now because we have 2 cores.. what they forget to mention/promote, is that those cores went from say 1.2 Ghz to 1.1.. so no you are not faster on most of your apps.

Ram on the other hand is not a gimmick. The iPhone (and iPad) has always suffered from too little ram and that is a calculated "cost saving" Apple issue. Their Macs did too for many years, but the fanboys were told "no it is you that is the problem". And of course they mock Samsung and others when their phones have 3 to 6 GB, but silently upgrade their own crap from 1 to 2.. and most likely 3 in the new iPhone.

2) A big goddamn battery
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Agree 100%. Optimization can only do so much. Fact is the Apple batteries actually become smaller and smaller, in their never ending quest for thinner and lighter devices. But then Android makers show their ugly head.. and especially the Chinese makers and totally blow Apple out of the water on this point and have bigger batteries.. Now there is a but... the iPhone 6S Plus.. because of its enormous size (both in total and relative to similar screen size phones) it has an almost 3000 mAh. Now if you look at the 6S .. 1715 mAh, and an equivalent rival phone.. Samsung J3 2600 mAh, and a considerably lower price! Yes the Samsung J3 is the main rival on paper for the iPhone 6s. 5 inch screen on the J3 vs 4.7 on the iPhone.. same resolution basically.. size as well. Now price... J3 is 180 dollars, iPhone 6s is 549 dollars....

Hell I dont care what phone maker it is, but the bigger battery the better, even if that means a heavier and thicker phone.

3) Lots of storage for games, music and cat videos
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The problem is Apple went to HD (real HD, they had faux HD going on for a long time) on videos and apps. This also means app developers get lazier...and make bigger and bigger apps because of poor programming. So apps sizes have exploded and of course videos people buy. But Apple also suffers from poor programming. iOS updates are huge vs Androids... My last OS update to Marshmellow was 800ish MB, where as the iPhones I update to iOS 9 need a 3 GB download more than often.

4) A beautiful display
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Have to go Android for that.. next year Apple is going to similar tech. Apple screens have lived a long time on "myth quality"... once you place them next to a Samsung/LG/Sony screen, then well.. you see instantly a difference, especially on the "cheaper" 6S and SE models.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Yea. I'm going to buy an S4 or S5 at a good price. They're great phones for the money if you aren't looking for the absolute latest and greatest.
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Make sure you check out Gazelle and Swappa as possible sources. The difference is that Gazelle buys the used phone and puts them through a certification and grading process. IIRC, with Swappa you are buying directly from someone so ensure you check out their history and satisfaction tracking (kind of like Ebay).


With 4 of us in the family we've used both and have been very happy with the results on a cost benefit comparison over paying full price for a new phone. Especially since with older phone you can swap a batter and get it back to "like new" battery life.


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WorldWatcher said:
Make sure you check out Gazelle and Swappa as possible sources. The difference is that Gazelle buys the used phone and puts them through a certification and grading process. IIRC, with Swappa you are buying directly from someone so ensure you check out their history and satisfaction tracking (kind of like Ebay).


With 4 of us in the family we've used both and have been very happy with the results on a cost benefit comparison over paying full price for a new phone. Especially since with older phone you can swap a batter and get it back to "like new" battery life.


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I usually buy from my buddies up at work who go out and get new phones all the time. We usually look up how much a refurbish costs on amazon and then take off 20% and I pay them that.
 
Praxas said:
I've listened to music with the Brainwavz BLU-100 before (my friend bought it) and didn't notice much difference. There are some more listed as well:

7 Best Bluetooth Earbuds in 2016 (Sports, NC and budget model covered)

Like I said, as the jack goes away, more emphasis will be on creating better quality earbuds or creating cheaper priced ones.

Analog is far better than digital in quality wise (ask any electric guitar player whether they want a tube amplifier or digital), but digital is by far the prevailing technology.

Again don't get me wrong as I understand your frustration. Noone wants a technology forced on (or taken away in this case
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The thing is... the sound you get in your earbuds is analog with the new iPhone 7. All they have done is move the DAC from the phone to save space to the lighting connecter .. what is DAC.. Digital Analog Converter. If they went truly digital then no need for a DAC. Saw an explanation on LinusTech and he was trashing Apple for their crap. This is Apple wanting to make more money off dongles... pure and simple. They are forcing people to pay an extra 49 dollars to restore functionality to the iPhone.. the ability to listen to music while charging.
 
PeteEU said:
To be honest.. processor speed is a gimmick... Yes duo core, quad core, octa core.. bla bla bla.. marketing bull**** in most situations as most apps can only use one core anyways. What these companies do (and it aint Apple only) is say.. oh we are faster now because we have 2 cores.. what they forget to mention/promote, is that those cores went from say 1.2 Ghz to 1.1.. so no you are not faster on most of your apps.
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Yeah. I will say that the hyping of the cores was more prevalent in the Android market, but that's perhaps understandable, given the incredible number of competitors in that sector who need to stand out from one another. Apple more or less uses the same dumb marketing gimmicks, but places focus on its manufacturing technique or proprietary branding from its licensed schematics from ARM. In the latter, it no longer becomes about the number of cores in each chip, but some carved out marketing opportunities created by obscuring other technical details in favor of re-naming something that's happening. If, for instance, Apple decided that the focus on cores was too trite or not in their strong suit, they'd find some other process that is strong in their line-up and perhaps rebrand it. Instead of the typical geek name, you'd hear "alcoves" and Apple will hammer you with the term "alcoves" during the press conference or tv advert.
 
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PeteEU said:
The thing is... the sound you get in your earbuds is analog with the new iPhone 7.
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What I was referring to is the quality of the recording which is digital. When you take anything analog to digital you are always losing some quality.
 
Cardinal said:
Interesting. I had been aware of the idea of a bluetooth receiver but never really tried it out.
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I love it. Greatest Christmas present I ever got about 3 years ago.

Sony SBH-50 is the one I use. Takes any headphones with a 3.5mm jack. I wear polo shirts at work so the earbuds are around my neck and the unit is clipped "inside" the V-neck of my shirt. People don't even know I'm wearing headphones unless I pull the bud out from under my shirt. Even then there is no dangling cord, just the little bit that runs come up my neck.


For daily wear and out and about, it's great. First thing to do though is take the Sony earbuds that come with it and throw them in the trash, they suck. The Sony "MDR-XB50" series is much better, the extra bass give them a full rich sound.

Now, not as good as my Bose or JVC cans that I use for home use, but that is a different discussion. Out and About v. Home Audiophile.



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Apple has been known for the longest time for their vendor lock in.

All the more reason not to buy Apple anything. Principles matter.
 
Cardinal said:
It was absolutely premature. Bluetooth headphones have enough charge for exercising, and the sound quality is crap for mobile-style earbuds. As it stands the only wireless headphones that have great sound and long charge are gigantic studio cans. They're not exactly "out and about" headphones.
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Yup...I don't have to remember to charge my ear buds.
 
WorldWatcher said:
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I love it. Greatest Christmas present I ever got about 3 years ago.

Sony SBH-50 is the one I use. Takes any headphones with a 3.5mm jack. I wear polo shirts at work so the earbuds are around my neck and the unit is clipped "inside" the V-neck of my shirt. People don't even know I'm wearing headphones unless I pull the bud out from under my shirt. Even then there is no dangling cord, just the little bit that runs come up my neck.


For daily wear and out and about, it's great. First thing to do though is take the Sony earbuds that come with it and throw them in the trash, they suck. The Sony "MDR-XB50" series is much better, the extra bass give them a full rich sound.

Now, not as good as my Bose or JVC cans that I use for home use, but that is a different discussion. Out and About v. Home Audiophile.



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The idea of a bluetooth transmitter opens up the field significantly. I was thinking of going with a Sennheiser myself as Sony is pretty touch and go. But I'll check it out -- thanks.
 
PeteEU said:
This is Apple wanting to make more money off dongles... pure and simple. They are forcing people to pay an extra 49 dollars to restore functionality to the iPhone.. the ability to listen to music while charging.
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It's even more scheming than that.

They get money from the Apple-branded dongles and docks designed to restore base functionality.

They get money from the Apple-branded Airpods for those who don't want to fuss with dongles but want wireless.

They get money from the 3rd party manufacturer who is going to create headphone products (lightning).

They get marketshare influence from the consumer who is herded into buying headphone products (lightning).

They get money from the consumer who is herded into buying headphone products also owned by Apple (Beats).
 
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Praxas said:
At some point and time certain technology will stop being produced, that is just what happens. We don't have places making the big laser dics players, we don't have 8 track, and we don't have tape cassette players in production like we used to and they have pretty much been phased out.

Every set of headphones I have bought in the last 2 years has been Bluetooth. In my car I have a Bluetooth capable system as well and even portable speakers I have are yes, Bluetooth.

Do I think it is premature for apple to do this? Yes, but I don't think it is that premature. I probably would have waited for the iphone 8 before doing it.

Is it a deal breaker with me that apple did this? No, I too won't have to be bothered by this for another two years at least since I have the 6s. I can understand the frustration, but all things come to an end at some time.
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The need to add expensive self powered (bluetooth) headphones or an expensive adaptor to use (wired) headphones should not be mandatory. Dropping "free" options is not progress.
 
Cardinal said:
The idea of a bluetooth transmitter opens up the field significantly. I was thinking of going with a Sennheiser myself as Sony is pretty touch and go. But I'll check it out -- thanks.
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I use the Sennheiser RS 180 Digital Wireless Headphones for TV. Keeps the peace in the house. I like the background noise while I do things, my wife likes it quiet. Dare I say it save our marriage? :mrgreen:



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ttwtt78640 said:
The need to add expensive self powered (bluetooth) headphones or an expensive adaptor to use (wired) headphones should not be mandatory. Dropping "free" options is not progress.
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Personally, my interest in the bluetooth transmitter is for completely separate reasons, such as being able to have my studio speakers talk to my computer wirelessly. As it stands there is no benefit I can see from switching over to bluetooth headphones for my smart phone.
 
WorldWatcher said:
I use the Sennheiser RS 180 Digital Wireless Headphones for TV. Keeps the peace in the house. I like the background noise while I do things, my wife likes it quiet. Dare I say it save our marriage? :mrgreen:



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I use the rs 180 as well. The signal, comfort and sound quality are extraordinary. If they made iem's of that quality they would corner the market overnight.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yeah. I will say that the hyping of the cores was more prevalent in the Android market, but that's perhaps understandable, given the incredible number of competitors in that sector who need to stand out from one another. Apple more or less uses the same dumb marketing gimmicks, but places focus on its manufacturing technique or proprietary branding from its licensed schematics from ARM. In the latter, it no longer becomes about the number of cores in each chip, but some carved out marketing opportunities created by obscuring other technical details in favor of re-naming something that's happening. If, for instance, Apple decided that the focus on cores was too trite or not in their strong suit, they'd find some other process that is strong in their line-up and perhaps rebrand it. Instead of the typical geek name, you'd hear "alcoves" and Apple will hammer you with the term "alcoves" during the press conference or tv advert.
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Or going to 64 bit... marketing bull****. Most apps in 64 are actually larger in size than 32 bit versions.. depends of course.
 
Praxas said:
What I was referring to is the quality of the recording which is digital. When you take anything analog to digital you are always losing some quality.
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And regardless, you aint gonna get it digital in the new lighting headphones, let alone wireless ones..
 
Praxas said:
What I was referring to is the quality of the recording which is digital. When you take anything analog to digital you are always losing some quality.
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Unless it's the full wav file? Because I make a line for that whenever possible.
 
Fiddytree said:
It's even more scheming than that.

They get money from the Apple-branded dongles and docks designed to restore base functionality.

They get money from the Apple-branded Airpods for those who don't want to fuss with dongles but want wireless.

They get money from the 3rd party manufacturer who is going to create headphone products (lightning).

They get marketshare influence from the consumer who is herded into buying headphone products (lightning).

They get money from the consumer who is herded into buying headphone products also owned by Apple (Beats).
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Yep.. that is why Homekit is a total flop, and other "Apple" owned proprietary stuff. I wish in many ways, someone in government would step in on environmental or free market principles to stop this crap. In Apples case it prevents people from leaving their brand, and that is no different than a drug dealer.
 
PeteEU said:
Yep.. that is why Homekit is a total flop, and other "Apple" owned proprietary stuff. I wish in many ways, someone in government would step in on environmental or free market principles to stop this crap. In Apples case it prevents people from leaving their brand, and that is no different than a drug dealer.
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Its much more understandable when it's a new market (the "smart home" market). The terms have yet to be settled. But unseating great, universal, cheap, royalty-free technology in favor of proprietary, expensive tech that barely does anything for the consumer is bonkers.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The need to add expensive self powered (bluetooth) headphones or an expensive adaptor to use (wired) headphones should not be mandatory. Dropping "free" options is not progress.
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The adapter to use the Lightning port with 3.5mm headphones is part of the standard purchase. It comes in the box.



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Cardinal said:
I use the rs 180 as well. The signal, comfort and sound quality are extraordinary. If they made iem's of that quality they would corner the market overnight.
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I like the sound for the Sennheiser myself better. But that is home use. I recognize that earbuds for out-n-about are a different discussion.


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WorldWatcher said:
I like the sound for the Sennheiser myself better. But that is home use. I recognize that earbuds for out-n-about are a different discussion.


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Of course.
 
Cardinal said:
I bought the iphone 6s last year and, despite a couple misgivings, I'll stand by it as being a very good phone. It's very fast (antutu bench mark of 132,500) and (get ready for it) just works. The misgivings are that the 3d touch in my opinion is ultimately an unnecessary gimmick, and the need for making phones slimmer passed its necessary threshold with the first iphone all the way back in 2007. After that point, thinner phones became a liability rather than an asset. As a result of making the 6s thinner I was forced to buy a case just so it wouldn't slip out of my hands. And what was lost as a result of this thinner design? Oh, just a little thing called the battery. Here's what I believe the majority of people want from their phones:

1) A fast processor and a lot of ram (speed)
2) A big goddamn battery
3) Lots of storage for games, music and cat videos
4) A beautiful display

Iphone users were able to look the other way while other manufacturers consistently added faster processors, more ram, larger batteries (the Galaxy s7 has a 3000mAh beast while the 6s sports one nearly half that capacity), and mini sd card slots that allowed you to upgrade your storage by up to 128G or more -- and all because you have to admit that the intra-apple functionality is incredibly fluid.

But then even the most die-hard Apple fans will be forced to admit that there is a problem when, in response to the demands of customers, Apple decides to...remove the headphone jack. So now, if you want to listen to non-proprietory headphones with your device you'll need to carry around the adapter the iphone comes with because the lightning port is the only port you have to power the phone or listen to music. Did you see how I wrote "or" listen to your music? Yeah, that wasn't a typo. You get to listen to your music. Or you get to charge your phone. But worry not! Belkin has come to the rescue with a giant dongle that splits the lightning port into two lightning ports, one for your proprietary apple headphones and one for your charger. And what if you're still one of those extremely rare old people who still own 3.5mm jack headphones? Worry not! After you buy your giant Belkin lightning port splitter, you can from there add your adapter to the splitter thereby allowing you to listen to your ancient 3.5mm jack headphones (in case my sarcasm isn't being successfully communicated, essentially all headphones on earth use the 3.5mm jack).

After a point you have to admit that the Apple royalty in their tower are not listening to the desires of the unwashed masses. After my iphone 6s becomes obsolete enough to piss me off, it's off to another manufacturer. By that time Apple will probably get all the way up to 4G of ram while every other competitor features 16G of RAM, a quad core 8.5GHz processor, a terrabyte of storage, waterproofing, inductive charging, artificial intelligence that will solve my relationship problems...and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Favorite comment from the ars technica article:



Belkin?not Apple?comes to the rescue with an iPhone 7 headphone-and-charge dongle | Ars Technica
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May I suggest a Samsung Note 7. Very powerful battery.
 
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