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I think they would have built them in steps (tiers or terraces). After they completed their base for the pyramid they would lift the blocks for the first tier from ground level by a contrivance, they were made from short timbers. On the first tier there was another contrivance to lift for the next and so on. This has also been tested by engineers and they agree that this type of devise could lift blocks that weigh over 100,000lbs   | 
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[quote=ThePhoenix]I think they would have built them in steps (tiers or terraces). After they completed their base for the pyramid they would lift the blocks for the first tier from ground level by a contrivance, they were made from short timbers. On the first tier there was another contrivance to lift for the next and so on. This has also been tested by engineers and they agree that this type of devise could lift blocks that weigh over 100,000lbs
That device lifts a 100,000 lbs? And what did they use to produce the counter weight, a safe? Theories like that make me look good. I'm not even close to done here either. | |
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Teacher - Your step system confuses me..what exactly would the Egyptians have used to push down the lever to lift a 2.5 ton block of stone? What would the rollars me made of that could support the weight of 2.5 ton stone? Wouldn't the stone flip over the step thereby crushing the slaves on the side pulling the stone? I imagine the system would work on a small scale and low height but not on a large scale with a large height. The pyramid is too high for the step system to work because the Egyptians would have to have built some sort of scafalding capable of holding the weight of the 2.5 ton stone, and lifted the stone onto the scafalding vertically to achieve that height with your step system.
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Originally Posted by Napoleon's Nightingale Teacher - Your step system confuses me..what exactly would the Egyptians have used to push down the lever to lift a 2.5 ton block of stone? | I can honestly tell you I've lifted safes of that wieght and heavier with a 6' lever just as in picture #2 in post #1 thousands of times with just my weight. It's a lever. That's the whole point. Quote: |
What would the rollars me made of that could support the weight of 2.5 ton stone?
| Logs. Yes they will get tore up over time and need to be replaced. Never said this wasn't a lot of work. Quote: |
Wouldn't the stone flip over the step thereby crushing the slaves on the side pulling the stone?
| No. Or I too would be dead from all the safes I moved the same way. And I never said you don't have to be careful. Quote: |
I imagine the system would work on a small scale and low height but not on a large scale with a large height.
| The pyramid is made up of 203 levels of a average hight of 2.5'. My step method is comprised of steps with a 6" rise and maybe 6' tread. 5 small steps per level. The large heavy blocks of the various chambers will be addressed later. Quote: |
The pyramid is too high for the step system to work because the Egyptians would have to have built some sort of scafalding capable of holding the weight of the 2.5 ton stone, and lifted the stone onto the scafalding vertically to achieve that height with your step system.
| Good point. I'm taking this one step at a time here so we can run through your questions of each step before moving on to the next step. This is just the way to move blocks up 2.5'. You have jumped ahead. The process is detailed further ahead in the basement thread "How to Crash a Server". | |
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Originally Posted by teacher I can honestly tell you I've lifted safes of that wieght and heavier with a 6' lever just as in picture #2 in post #1 thousands of times with just my weight. It's a lever. That's the whole point. | Interesting. So how would they have lifted the stone onto the rollars and on top of lever? Quote: |
Originally Posted by teacher Logs. Yes they will get tore up over time and need to be replaced. Never said this wasn't a lot of work. | Wouldn't the stone eventually move over the logs and fall off because the logs are rolling under it? Wouldn't it be extremely difficult to roll the stone because the logs would be swerving? Unless the logs are all somehow connected, a platform was attached to the logs, and the slaves pulled the platform instead of the stone. Quote: |
Originally Posted by teacher No. Or I too would be dead from all the safes I moved the same way. And I never said you don't have to be careful. | It might explain the number of deaths in the construction of the pyramid. Quote: |
Originally Posted by teacher The pyramid is made up of 203 levels of a average hight of 2.5'. My step method is comprised of steps with a 6" rise and maybe 6' tread. 5 small steps per level. The large heavy blocks of the various chambers will be addressed later. | Ok. So, the stone is successfully levered onto step 1..how would they put the rollars under it and levered it again onto step 2? Quote: |
Originally Posted by teacher Good point. I'm taking this one step at a time here so we can run through your questions of each step before moving on to the next step. This is just the way to move blocks up 2.5'. You have jumped ahead. The process is detailed further ahead in the basement thread "How to Crash a Server". | Ok. I'll take a look  It's nice to hear a fresh idea. | |
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Originally Posted by Napoleon's Nightingale Interesting. So how would they have lifted the stone onto the rollars and on top of lever? | 1st attachment covers 4 ways. Fig 1 is an indent into block to provide a space for the lever. Fig 2 shows a nipple. There is SOME evidence for both these methods. Fig 3 shows a trough chisled into the step for the lever to fit under the block. Fig 4 shows a wedge, (in the Egytians case made of copper), which is how I used to get a safe that sits flat on the ground up enough to get a lever under it. As there will be times they messed up and lost a block off of the rollers I think that sinse there were over 2.3 million blocks making up the pyramids Fig 3 in the long run would be most productive.
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Wouldn't the stone eventually move over the logs and fall off because the logs are rolling under it?
| You keep rollers staged ahead of the block. As the block rolls of the rear roller it moves onto the next one. See Figs 5 and 6.
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Wouldn't it be extremely difficult to roll the stone because the logs would be swerving?
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Unless the logs are all somehow connected, a platform was attached to the logs, and the slaves pulled the platform instead of the stone.
| I can illustrate how to get blocks on and off of platforms. They call them sleds, but as you have 2.3 million blocks, that is 4.6 million steps that my method does away with. Putting blocks on and off of sleds. You still would move the sled the same way as blocks, why not do away with it? More trouble than it's worth, and needless.
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| I've crushed a couple of fingers in my ten years of safe moving. That jobs workmans comp level was the same as building structural steel riggers. It is dangerous. But I'm not dead.
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Ok. So, the stone is successfully levered onto step 1..how would they put the rollars under it and levered it again onto step 2?
| See Fig 4 of post #1. The block goes right onto the first roller of step 1. Same for the next 4 steps. Pay attention class........
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Ok. I'll take a look It's nice to hear a fresh idea.
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Originally Posted by ThePhoenix I think they would have built them in steps (tiers or terraces). After they completed their base for the pyramid they would lift the blocks for the first tier from ground level by a contrivance, they were made from short timbers. On the first tier there was another contrivance to lift for the next and so on. This has also been tested by engineers and they agree that this type of devise could lift blocks that weigh over 100,000lbs | How do you explain the fact that the levers attached to the basket in your animation stretch when the basket is at it's highest point?
And since the levers seem to be of equal length at each side of the fulcrum, you would be able to lift no more than the combined weight of the two people operating the levers.
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Originally Posted by ThePhoenix I think they would have built them in steps (tiers or terraces). After they completed their base for the pyramid they would lift the blocks for the first tier from ground level by a contrivance, they were made from short timbers. On the first tier there was another contrivance to lift for the next and so on. This has also been tested by engineers and they agree that this type of devise could lift blocks that weigh over 100,000lbs | This had neither the size nor capacity to lift the massive 70 ton blocks that make up the King's Chamber. I'd like to meet these engineers. | |
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Originally Posted by Old and wise How do you explain the fact that the levers attached to the basket in your animation stretch when the basket is at it's highest point? | Ha ha ha ha ha, her-dee-har-har. He he ha ha haw haw..urk...gah...choke...plop.
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