Debate Politics Forums
Speak your voice
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > Debate Politics Forum > Archives

Archives Martian soil appears able to support life; Yesterday, Reuters reported: "Flabbergasted" NASA scientists said on Thursday that Martian soil appeared to contain the requirements to ...

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-27-08, 10:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
Moderator
Mod team member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Last Online: Today 01:26 PM
Location: New York
Posts: 1,984
Thanks: 563
Thanked 1,108 Times in 652 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Martian soil appears able to support life

Yesterday, Reuters reported:

Quote:
"Flabbergasted" NASA scientists said on Thursday that Martian soil appeared to contain the requirements to support life, although more work would be needed to prove it.

Scientists working on the Phoenix Mars Lander mission, which has already found ice on the planet, said preliminary analysis by the lander's instruments on a sample of soil scooped up by the spacecraft's robotic arm had shown it to be much more alkaline than expected.
The story can be found at: Martian soil appears able to support life | Reuters
donsutherland1 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Inline Ads
Old 06-27-08, 04:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
Sage

 
jfuh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Last Online: 10-02-08 05:35 AM
Location: Pacific Rim
Posts: 14,715
Thanks: 2,869
Thanked 938 Times in 713 Posts
Lean: Moderate
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Bahahaha
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
Yesterday, Reuters reported:



The story can be found at: Martian soil appears able to support life | Reuters
This bit isn't really much of a surprise - the surprise would be actually finding either indirect or direct evidence of life - perhaps ferrodoxins or Fe3O4 like they did with the martian antarctic rocks. Or fossilized remains of life.
The real biggie would be actually finding a living martian.

Which given the ability of life on this planet to survive in the harshest of conditions I would gamble actually still exist - ie endospores.
jfuh is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 11:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
That European Guy
Mod team member

 
GarzaUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Last Online: Today 01:33 PM
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Posts: 3,062
Thanks: 92
Thanked 269 Times in 187 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via MSN to GarzaUK Send a message via Yahoo to GarzaUK

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Horny
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
This bit isn't really much of a surprise - the surprise would be actually finding either indirect or direct evidence of life - perhaps ferrodoxins or Fe3O4 like they did with the martian antarctic rocks. Or fossilized remains of life.
The real biggie would be actually finding a living martian.

Which given the ability of life on this planet to survive in the harshest of conditions I would gamble actually still exist - ie endospores.
To be fair it is a bit of a surprise and it is a big story in itself.

It means in theory, colonies can be self-sufficient. We have Ice there, that takes care of water, we have nutrients there that can grow earth plants and crops, therefore we can keep livestock there.

As the evidence piles up it seems that we are destined to be a two planet species after all, we seemed to be destined to colonise the Red Planet.

Which brings me to my next point...

What if we can heat the planet and melt the ice, should we allow Earth life to spread on Mars?

Or should we keep Earth life confined to special areas and see how Martian life evolves on its own? This is of course if Mars actually has amino acids of its own.
__________________
EUROPEANS FOR OBAMA 08

MY HOMEPAGE
GarzaUK is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 11:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
anti-ideological


 
The silenced majority's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Last Online: Today 06:49 AM
Posts: 2,299
Thanks: 612
Thanked 571 Times in 389 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Lurking
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Resources are near infinite IMO.
__________________
"Treason never prospers; what's the reason? For when it prospers, none dare call it treason;" ~ Sir John Fortescue
The silenced majority is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 11:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
That European Guy
Mod team member

 
GarzaUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Last Online: Today 01:33 PM
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Posts: 3,062
Thanks: 92
Thanked 269 Times in 187 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via MSN to GarzaUK Send a message via Yahoo to GarzaUK

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Horny
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
Resources are near infinite IMO.
How so? What sort of resources?
GarzaUK is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 11:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
anti-ideological


 
The silenced majority's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Last Online: Today 06:49 AM
Posts: 2,299
Thanks: 612
Thanked 571 Times in 389 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Lurking
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
How so? What sort of resources?
I don't know, really.

When I look at the sky on a starry night, I can't help but think that resources for energy, life sustenance - whatever - are near infinite.
The silenced majority is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 02:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
Metahuman Supremacist
Mod Team Member

 
Korimyr the Rat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Last Online: Today 11:49 AM
Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming
Posts: 2,398
Thanks: 447
Thanked 546 Times in 305 Posts
Lean: Independent
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to Korimyr the Rat Send a message via Yahoo to Korimyr the Rat

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
Which brings me to my next point...

What if we can heat the planet and melt the ice, should we allow Earth life to spread on Mars?

Or should we keep Earth life confined to special areas and see how Martian life evolves on its own? This is of course if Mars actually has amino acids of its own.
There is the scientific curiosity of studying how life is evolving on Mars, versus improving the long-term survival chances of our species. Personally, I think the correct course of action is obvious.

We should have been working on this decades ago.
__________________
Korimyr the Rat is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-28-08, 06:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
Sage

 
jfuh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Last Online: 10-02-08 05:35 AM
Location: Pacific Rim
Posts: 14,715
Thanks: 2,869
Thanked 938 Times in 713 Posts
Lean: Moderate
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Bahahaha
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
To be fair it is a bit of a surprise and it is a big story in itself.

It means in theory, colonies can be self-sufficient. We have Ice there, that takes care of water, we have nutrients there that can grow earth plants and crops, therefore we can keep livestock there.

As the evidence piles up it seems that we are destined to be a two planet species after all, we seemed to be destined to colonise the Red Planet.

Which brings me to my next point...

What if we can heat the planet and melt the ice, should we allow Earth life to spread on Mars?

Or should we keep Earth life confined to special areas and see how Martian life evolves on its own? This is of course if Mars actually has amino acids of its own.
That kinda boils down to "what's worth going to mars for"?
Sure given these resources colonization would be a higher probability but there needs to be a strong motive.
The original explorers that came to the "new world" came because of the desire to find a path to the far east that was not controlled by the Portuguese or Venetians. What is the strong motive to go to mars? Practically unless there is some resource or some scientific significance there's just simply not going to be any push to cross over 10 light minutes to get there. Hence why I don't really see this as any sort of major surprise.
jfuh is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 06-29-08, 11:29 AM   #9 (permalink)
Enemy Combatant

 
Kandahar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Last Online: Today 02:03 AM
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 10,643
Thanks: 680
Thanked 1,863 Times in 1,115 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Cynical
Re: Martian soil appears able to support life

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
That kinda boils down to "what's worth going to mars for"?
Sure given these resources colonization would be a higher probability but there needs to be a strong motive.
The original explorers that came to the "new world" came because of the desire to find a path to the far east that was not controlled by the Portuguese or Venetians. What is the strong motive to go to mars? Practically unless there is some resource or some scientific significance there's just simply not going to be any push to cross over 10 light minutes to get there. Hence why I don't really see this as any sort of major surprise.
There's no push NOW, because it's too expensive to send humans there. And rightfully so; robots can make all the scientific discoveries much more cheaply than humans can.

However, in a few decades the cost will have been reduced to the point where we can not only send humans, but we can actively begin the terraforming and colonization process. When that happens, the motive will be the same as the motives of people colonizing distant lands throughout history: because it's there.
__________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams

Last edited by Kandahar : 06-29-08 at 11:31 AM.
Kandahar is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is Legal Jihad Behind Some of Ron Paul's Support? bhkad Archives 1 01-21-08 03:52 PM
Should Fertilized Eggs Have Rights? 1069 Archives 154 01-01-08 01:18 PM
Explain Your Reasoning. jpwright Archives 779 03-29-06 02:35 AM
My take on the abortion issue. Navy Pride Archives 524 10-22-05 05:42 PM
When does human life begin? shuamort Archives 127 06-08-05 02:49 PM

Navigation
Home Main
spacer Home
spacer Newsroom
spacer Resources
spacer FAQ
spacer Chatroom

Extras Extras
spacer DP Store
spacer Statistics
spacer Worldmap
spacer Gallery
spacer Link to us

 Advertise Here!

Random Pic
by Billo_Really
· · ·
Member Galleries
995 photos
202 comments



Debate Politics XML Feed

Add to my Yahoo!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:08 PM.

Partners with: Computer repair || Irrationally Informed

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2008
SEO by vBSEO